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this is, pure and simple, technical debt. Google borrowed for proprietary reasons; meanwhile the people who maintain and improve the kernel and give away the f

this is, pure and simple, technical debt. Google borrowed for proprietary reasons; meanwhile the people who maintain and improve the kernel and give away the fruits for free have produced something that google wants so they'll merge, again for FAANG proprietary reasons. I'm not losing sleep over it, hell, I paid for it already with my privacy.

tut-urut-utut 5y ago
Let's not pretend that kernel developers still don't get paid for their kernel work. The majority of them are employed by corporations that use Linux or are sponsored by other means. Maybe it was so in the past, but I doubt that any significant contributions nowadays come as a free (as in beer) work.
- 5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
  That's pretty much how it is. https://lwn.net/Articles/867540/ https://lwn.net/Articles/867540/ https://lwn.net/Articles/860989/ https://lwn.net/Articles/860989/ https://lwn.net/Articles/853039/ https://lwn.net/Articles/853039/
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Jensson 5y ago
You do realize that almost every big company pays money to the Linux foundation and that Linus Torvalds is paid 10 million dollars a year thanks to that? They still get it very cheaply, but that is because the Linux team is very efficient and not because they aren't paid.
- chinathrow 5y ago
  > Linus Torvalds is paid 10 million dollars a year thanks to that Any source for this claim?
  - dhruvrrp 5y ago
    The actual figure has been 1.5 million for a few years now according to the linux foundation irs filings https://pp-990.s3.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/01_2020_prefixes_45-46/460503801_201812_990O_2020011517035818.pdf https://pp-990.s3.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/01_2020_prefixes_4...
    - MichaelMoser123 5y ago
      As a ten times programmer, and deserves to be paid at least ten times, imho.
      - wongarsu 5y ago
        It's half the pay of the chair of Mozilla. It wouldn't be hard to argue that he's underpaid.
        hinkley 5y ago
        The chair of Mozilla is overpaid.
        wongarsu 5y ago
        Which we mostly care about because Firefox's market share approaches that of Desktop Linux while Mozilla does whatever.
        hinkley 5y ago
        I still use Firefox, and I don’t like that they’re setting money on fire while revenue is declining.
      - 5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
        He has been more of a technical manager for the past couple of decades. An awesome one, no doubt.
mda 5y ago
Google is one of the biggest contributors to linux kernel and enploys many kernel engineers I am not sure what you are complaining about.
- fsckboy 5y ago
  I'm not complaining, I'm saying that google is complaining or at least everybody here is treating google like "oh boo hoo look how much work they have", and they shouldn't, they made the choices they made, it's just technical debt.
knorker 5y ago
> this is, pure and simple, technical debt. Yes, and they say exactly that. What's your point?

tut-urut-utut 5y ago

Let's not pretend that kernel developers still don't get paid for their kernel work. The majority of them are employed by corporations that use Linux or are sponsored by other means. Maybe it was so in the past, but I doubt that any significant contributions nowadays come as a free (as in beer) work.

5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
That's pretty much how it is. https://lwn.net/Articles/867540/ https://lwn.net/Articles/867540/ https://lwn.net/Articles/860989/ https://lwn.net/Articles/860989/ https://lwn.net/Articles/853039/ https://lwn.net/Articles/853039/
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Jensson 5y ago

You do realize that almost every big company pays money to the Linux foundation and that Linus Torvalds is paid 10 million dollars a year thanks to that? They still get it very cheaply, but that is because the Linux team is very efficient and not because they aren't paid.

chinathrow 5y ago
> Linus Torvalds is paid 10 million dollars a year thanks to that Any source for this claim?
- dhruvrrp 5y ago
  The actual figure has been 1.5 million for a few years now according to the linux foundation irs filings https://pp-990.s3.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/01_2020_prefixes_45-46/460503801_201812_990O_2020011517035818.pdf https://pp-990.s3.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/01_2020_prefixes_4...
  - MichaelMoser123 5y ago
    As a ten times programmer, and deserves to be paid at least ten times, imho.
    - wongarsu 5y ago
      It's half the pay of the chair of Mozilla. It wouldn't be hard to argue that he's underpaid.
      - hinkley 5y ago
        The chair of Mozilla is overpaid.
        wongarsu 5y ago
        Which we mostly care about because Firefox's market share approaches that of Desktop Linux while Mozilla does whatever.
        hinkley 5y ago
        I still use Firefox, and I don’t like that they’re setting money on fire while revenue is declining.
    - 5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
      He has been more of a technical manager for the past couple of decades. An awesome one, no doubt.

mda 5y ago

Google is one of the biggest contributors to linux kernel and enploys many kernel engineers I am not sure what you are complaining about.

fsckboy 5y ago
I'm not complaining, I'm saying that google is complaining or at least everybody here is treating google like "oh boo hoo look how much work they have", and they shouldn't, they made the choices they made, it's just technical debt.

knorker 5y ago

> this is, pure and simple, technical debt. Yes, and they say exactly that. What's your point?