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I really want intermittent fasting and low carb diets to have the benefits claimed, but having done both for extended periods on and off for years, if I'm perfe

by bedobi 5y ago

I really want intermittent fasting and low carb diets to have the benefits claimed, but having done both for extended periods on and off for years, if I'm perfectly honest with myself, the truth is I haven't seen any benefit at all, and a careful review of research in humans as opposed to rodents seems unable to back either of them up. Low carb especially for me anyway leads to undesired hormonal states with SHBG through the roof and just general prolonged brain fog and low performance and energy. (the opposite of what advocates claim) I do believe doing the occassional extended two-three day fasts for autophagy can be beneficial and anectodally I do see beneficial effects from those... but other than that I just eat varied healthy food usually three meals a day and I find that works best for my mental and physical performance, body composition etc. YMMV!

ramoz 5y ago
Not making claims about you, but simply skipping meals and eating more fat seems naive. & other things matter, like gender, other genetics, and your macros. YMMV, sure, because when I am low carb (less critical, more of a YMMV), high protein (critical), workout/lift (critical), count macros (critical) and fasting (less critical) I become the best version of myself. Mentally, physically.
kilroy123 5y ago
I've had the complete opposite experience.
jeena 5y ago
One meal a day combined with keto helped me to lose 30 kg in 9 months practically without effort. As soon as I went off it (because of changes in life) I gained back 6 kg, now I'm at least trying to do OMAD but it's hard without keto, because the sugars make me hungry.
coldtea 5y ago
>and a careful review of research in humans as opposed to rodents seems unable to back either of them up. Well, research might not say that IF or low carb have X or Y benefits. They might very well not have any major benefit by themselves. But they very much say that lower BMI has tons of benefits, from heart to cognition. So if IF and/or low carb helps you achieve this BMI, then you should (and would) have had those other benefits too.
throw1234651234 5y ago
Glad to see more skeptics on here. I do 3-day water-only fasts (not intermittent, just 72 hours straight) once a month. I get very little noticeable benefit if any. For me, the benefits are all "soft" benefits - willpower practice, realizing how little I actually need to eat, and very, very minimal fat loss if I walk for 8 hours on the last day. Do wish all the magic, memory, autophagy, cancer-prevention, more HGH things were true though, but it does seem like they are blown out of proportion if there at all.
- a_conservative 5y ago
  I wonder if the difference in experience might be related to how close one is to diabetes. A lot of people are in various stages of pre-diabetes, I've had fasting blood sugar measurements around 110 mg/dl, which is considered pre-diabetic. I've done keto and a little bit of fasting and experienced the seemingly magical effects. Another possibility is that other people are getting into ketosis and you aren't. For me, the "recipe" to get into ketosis can vary a lot based on how much I've been exercising and eating carbs before I attempt to limit carbs or fast.
  - throw1234651234 5y ago
    Purely anecdotal, but interesting coincidence - walked with friend yesterday, and he knows someone who lowered their blood sugar permanently by doing intermittent fasting. This makes sense, since fasting moderates insulin resistance. There is an ok book about it by a liver/kidney doctor. Can find if interested, don't remember name offhand. I found it to be good even though I am obviously not a fasting fanatic.
BrianOnHN 5y ago
I'd be willing to bet you sacrificed micronutrients to meet your macronutrient goals. Your low T could've been solved by adding a little maca root to your daily smoothies, which should contain all the essential micro-nutes your sacrificing to meet your macro-nute goals. And yes, you can have a smoothie on keto with minimal high glycemic carbs that fulfills any deficits left by a strict high-fat diet. I'm only advocating that you not knock something that is clearly working. Sorry you gave up on the holistic approach, but someone should've told you, it's not a solution, it's a practice. And the issues you had were a chance to improve your practice. You could accept the challenge, and expect to recognize and solve problems with constant adjustments to your diet, or keep up whatever your doing that works for you. Good luck.
dc-programmer 5y ago
Since I’ve gotten into serious cycling and learning about exercise science, I’ve realized how utterly ridiculous and harmful the low carb fad is. Carbs are the most efficient fuel you can give your body and usually the only source of fuel for your brain (by way of glucose). Being in a state of hypoglycemia frequently seems quite bad for normal people and outright dangerous and counterproductive for athletes. Having “bonked” on a few long rides because I didn’t refuel enough on the ride has really driven home the importance of eating carbs for energy. It’s a very unpleasant state to be in. I would never recommend a low carb diet to someone wanting to lose weight. Couple a low carb diet with fasting and exercise and your body will not just get energy from your fat cells, but also your muscles, and it can cause other unwanted outcomes like less healthy skin and hair.

by bedobi 5y ago

ramoz 5y ago

Not making claims about you, but simply skipping meals and eating more fat seems naive. & other things matter, like gender, other genetics, and your macros. YMMV, sure, because when I am low carb (less critical, more of a YMMV), high protein (critical), workout/lift (critical), count macros (critical) and fasting (less critical) I become the best version of myself. Mentally, physically.

kilroy123 5y ago

I've had the complete opposite experience.

jeena 5y ago

One meal a day combined with keto helped me to lose 30 kg in 9 months practically without effort. As soon as I went off it (because of changes in life) I gained back 6 kg, now I'm at least trying to do OMAD but it's hard without keto, because the sugars make me hungry.

coldtea 5y ago

>and a careful review of research in humans as opposed to rodents seems unable to back either of them up. Well, research might not say that IF or low carb have X or Y benefits. They might very well not have any major benefit by themselves. But they very much say that lower BMI has tons of benefits, from heart to cognition. So if IF and/or low carb helps you achieve this BMI, then you should (and would) have had those other benefits too.

throw1234651234 5y ago

Glad to see more skeptics on here. I do 3-day water-only fasts (not intermittent, just 72 hours straight) once a month. I get very little noticeable benefit if any. For me, the benefits are all "soft" benefits - willpower practice, realizing how little I actually need to eat, and very, very minimal fat loss if I walk for 8 hours on the last day. Do wish all the magic, memory, autophagy, cancer-prevention, more HGH things were true though, but it does seem like they are blown out of proportion if there at all.

a_conservative 5y ago
I wonder if the difference in experience might be related to how close one is to diabetes. A lot of people are in various stages of pre-diabetes, I've had fasting blood sugar measurements around 110 mg/dl, which is considered pre-diabetic. I've done keto and a little bit of fasting and experienced the seemingly magical effects. Another possibility is that other people are getting into ketosis and you aren't. For me, the "recipe" to get into ketosis can vary a lot based on how much I've been exercising and eating carbs before I attempt to limit carbs or fast.
- throw1234651234 5y ago
  Purely anecdotal, but interesting coincidence - walked with friend yesterday, and he knows someone who lowered their blood sugar permanently by doing intermittent fasting. This makes sense, since fasting moderates insulin resistance. There is an ok book about it by a liver/kidney doctor. Can find if interested, don't remember name offhand. I found it to be good even though I am obviously not a fasting fanatic.

BrianOnHN 5y ago

I'd be willing to bet you sacrificed micronutrients to meet your macronutrient goals. Your low T could've been solved by adding a little maca root to your daily smoothies, which should contain all the essential micro-nutes your sacrificing to meet your macro-nute goals. And yes, you can have a smoothie on keto with minimal high glycemic carbs that fulfills any deficits left by a strict high-fat diet. I'm only advocating that you not knock something that is clearly working. Sorry you gave up on the holistic approach, but someone should've told you, it's not a solution, it's a practice. And the issues you had were a chance to improve your practice. You could accept the challenge, and expect to recognize and solve problems with constant adjustments to your diet, or keep up whatever your doing that works for you. Good luck.

dc-programmer 5y ago

Since I’ve gotten into serious cycling and learning about exercise science, I’ve realized how utterly ridiculous and harmful the low carb fad is. Carbs are the most efficient fuel you can give your body and usually the only source of fuel for your brain (by way of glucose). Being in a state of hypoglycemia frequently seems quite bad for normal people and outright dangerous and counterproductive for athletes. Having “bonked” on a few long rides because I didn’t refuel enough on the ride has really driven home the importance of eating carbs for energy. It’s a very unpleasant state to be in. I would never recommend a low carb diet to someone wanting to lose weight. Couple a low carb diet with fasting and exercise and your body will not just get energy from your fat cells, but also your muscles, and it can cause other unwanted outcomes like less healthy skin and hair.