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> Vaccines aren't 100% so the continuing circulation of the virus will cause some number of those to get sick. Then there are variants. You're negating your ow

> Vaccines aren't 100% so the continuing circulation of the virus will cause some number of those to get sick. Then there are variants. You're negating your own point. Full vaccination is not achievable just stop with this silly pointless rhetoric. >Travel restrictions. The un-vaccinated aren't restricting your travel. You've got a bit of stockholm syndrome going on.

notacoward 5y ago
> Full vaccination is not achievable That's called the fallacy of the excluded middle (sub-species "argument by demanding impossible perfection") and it doesn't negate my own point at all. No, 100% elimination isn't possible, but every reduction helps and literally saves lives. > The un-vaccinated aren't restricting your travel. Simply untrue. There are still countries that won't let me in because I'm from a country with too-high case levels. There are more that I wouldn't go to because I don't want to be in a small confined space for hours on end with people whose oppositional defiant disorder has made them dangerous. I would have liked to visit family in New Zealand this year (from the US). At one time that might have been possible, but no, because of people who are too selfish and/or arrogant to do what's obviously right for public health.
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  >That's called the fallacy of the excluded middle (sub-species "argument by demanding impossible perfection") and it doesn't negate my own point at all. No, 100% elimination isn't possible, but every reduction helps and literally saves lives. It entirely negates your point since it's predicated on the the fact that un-vaccinated will supposedly continue eating up hospital resources. There is no future where this will stop until the disease has run its course. Therefore, your point is moot. Even more so because you have no objective number of vaccinations or hospital cases that MUST be met. >Simply untrue. There are still countries that won't let me in because I'm from a country with too-high case levels. You really seem to have an issue grasping that those restrictions are coming from the governments of those countries. They are not coming from un-vaccinated people. What's happening is that you've let them create a boogie-man and brainwash you into placing the blame away from the people who are causing your issues. This is how fascism and authoritarianism spreads. I'm sure you can think of a few times in history where certain leaders singled out specific groups for blame and how that worked out. >There are more that I wouldn't go to because I don't want to be in a small confined space for hours That's on you. No one else has a responsibility to protect you. If you don't trust science or the vaccination then it sounds like you have some major health anxiety that needs to be dealt with. If you are vaccinated and you're going into a country like NZ there is ZERO logic in saying you cannot enter due to your country of origin having a higher case load. This absolute stupidity. Place the blame where it lies. NZ is full of anti-science morons, it has nothing to do with un-vaccinated people in the US. Give me hard objective numbers that must be met for all restrictions/lockdowns to be dropped please. I'll save you some time. THEY DON'T EXIST. This means they will continue to string you along blaming all of their authoritarian tactics on specific group of people that aren't actually doing anything to you. Let me guess... you also blamed the kid who talked too much in class when the teacher took your pizza party away? It wasn't the kid who took that from you.
  - notacoward 5y ago
    > it's predicated on the the fact that un-vaccinated will supposedly continue eating up hospital resources No, it's predicated on the fact that they will continue allowing more of the virus to circulate and infect others (and also incubate variants). Don't pretend to mind-read. It's annoying and unpersuasive. > those restrictions are coming from the governments of those countries ...which is perfectly valid and even their duty unless we assume that the virus is harmless. I'm clearly not the one who has trouble considering more than one possibility. > it sounds like you have some major health anxiety > you also blamed Ad hominem. We're done.
    - CountDrewku 5y ago
      >No, it's predicated on the fact that they will continue allowing more of the virus to circulate and infect others (and also incubate variants). Cognitive dissonance. You admitted the vaccinations don't stop infections. Therefore, variants will continue on whether people are vaccinated or not. There's quite a bit of irony in you prattling on about the big bad un-vaccinated while simultaneously not believing the vaccine provides you enough protection to go out and be safe. >Ad hominem. We're done. No it's an objective observation based on your comments about being terrified of other people infecting you with a disease that has a lower likely hood of killing or harming you in any major way than driving in your car daily (on top of many other more deadly daily activities). I actually think you need to talk with someone about your issues. I'm not attacking you for it, but it's obvious your stance isn't based in reality. Life is full of risk. COVID isn't an issue that ought to be worrying you at all if you've vaccinated yourself.
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notacoward 5y ago

> Full vaccination is not achievable That's called the fallacy of the excluded middle (sub-species "argument by demanding impossible perfection") and it doesn't negate my own point at all. No, 100% elimination isn't possible, but every reduction helps and literally saves lives. > The un-vaccinated aren't restricting your travel. Simply untrue. There are still countries that won't let me in because I'm from a country with too-high case levels. There are more that I wouldn't go to because I don't want to be in a small confined space for hours on end with people whose oppositional defiant disorder has made them dangerous. I would have liked to visit family in New Zealand this year (from the US). At one time that might have been possible, but no, because of people who are too selfish and/or arrogant to do what's obviously right for public health.

CountDrewku 5y ago
>That's called the fallacy of the excluded middle (sub-species "argument by demanding impossible perfection") and it doesn't negate my own point at all. No, 100% elimination isn't possible, but every reduction helps and literally saves lives. It entirely negates your point since it's predicated on the the fact that un-vaccinated will supposedly continue eating up hospital resources. There is no future where this will stop until the disease has run its course. Therefore, your point is moot. Even more so because you have no objective number of vaccinations or hospital cases that MUST be met. >Simply untrue. There are still countries that won't let me in because I'm from a country with too-high case levels. You really seem to have an issue grasping that those restrictions are coming from the governments of those countries. They are not coming from un-vaccinated people. What's happening is that you've let them create a boogie-man and brainwash you into placing the blame away from the people who are causing your issues. This is how fascism and authoritarianism spreads. I'm sure you can think of a few times in history where certain leaders singled out specific groups for blame and how that worked out. >There are more that I wouldn't go to because I don't want to be in a small confined space for hours That's on you. No one else has a responsibility to protect you. If you don't trust science or the vaccination then it sounds like you have some major health anxiety that needs to be dealt with. If you are vaccinated and you're going into a country like NZ there is ZERO logic in saying you cannot enter due to your country of origin having a higher case load. This absolute stupidity. Place the blame where it lies. NZ is full of anti-science morons, it has nothing to do with un-vaccinated people in the US. Give me hard objective numbers that must be met for all restrictions/lockdowns to be dropped please. I'll save you some time. THEY DON'T EXIST. This means they will continue to string you along blaming all of their authoritarian tactics on specific group of people that aren't actually doing anything to you. Let me guess... you also blamed the kid who talked too much in class when the teacher took your pizza party away? It wasn't the kid who took that from you.
- notacoward 5y ago
  > it's predicated on the the fact that un-vaccinated will supposedly continue eating up hospital resources No, it's predicated on the fact that they will continue allowing more of the virus to circulate and infect others (and also incubate variants). Don't pretend to mind-read. It's annoying and unpersuasive. > those restrictions are coming from the governments of those countries ...which is perfectly valid and even their duty unless we assume that the virus is harmless. I'm clearly not the one who has trouble considering more than one possibility. > it sounds like you have some major health anxiety > you also blamed Ad hominem. We're done.
  - CountDrewku 5y ago
    >No, it's predicated on the fact that they will continue allowing more of the virus to circulate and infect others (and also incubate variants). Cognitive dissonance. You admitted the vaccinations don't stop infections. Therefore, variants will continue on whether people are vaccinated or not. There's quite a bit of irony in you prattling on about the big bad un-vaccinated while simultaneously not believing the vaccine provides you enough protection to go out and be safe. >Ad hominem. We're done. No it's an objective observation based on your comments about being terrified of other people infecting you with a disease that has a lower likely hood of killing or harming you in any major way than driving in your car daily (on top of many other more deadly daily activities). I actually think you need to talk with someone about your issues. I'm not attacking you for it, but it's obvious your stance isn't based in reality. Life is full of risk. COVID isn't an issue that ought to be worrying you at all if you've vaccinated yourself.
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