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I'm sympathetic to marcan's points and I don't think Apple is likely to do anything like this, personally, but this argument isn't very convincing. All this mea

I'm sympathetic to marcan's points and I don't think Apple is likely to do anything like this, personally, but this argument isn't very convincing. All this means is that they can't release a firmware update blocking use of a third party OS on existing hardware (contra techrat). OK, great, but we're talking about a manufacturer that makes products designed to go in the rubbish bin 2-4 years after manufacture (witness the half dozen comments by users in this thread saying they have already put their M1 computers in a drawer somewhere!). Apple are constantly iterating, and the goal of a project like Asahi is to stay ahead of the game and continue running on new hardware. The proper and correct point that techrat should have made is that the second something like Asahi is a threat to Apple for any reason, Apple can release new hardware that's locked down similar to iOS. You'll even have people on this site defending the changes too, in the name of security or something.

techrat 5y ago
The bigger point that I've been trying to make (regardless of whether or not you think Apple would try to lock down an M1 Macbook) is that I don't trust Apple because of their history. They have a LONG history of making decisions that ultimately are hostile to the user. Apple also has a history of explicitly locking out Linux users. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Apple-T2-Blocks-Linux-UEFI https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Apple-T2... > It looks like even if disabling the Secure Boot functionality, the T2 chip is reportedly still blocking operating systems aside from macOS and Windows 10. This is further than Microsoft has ever gone with hardware. Apple has been dipping their toes into the telemetry and ad tracking waters for a while now. If they see Asahi cutting into those margins because people are buying Apple hardware and installing an OS that prevents them from collecting user data, I can believe they'd see them as a threat. Why? Again, history. Apple has shut down numerous developers who made "competing" features for iOS via apps in the App Store... even though those developers had the app first before Apple decided to add the features into iOS. But yeah, something something security something...
- Wowfunhappy 5y ago
  Lots of companies have a history of making decisions that are hostile to users. If you avoided all of them, I dare say you'd have a hard time using the internet. This isn't good, but it is the state of the world. Just buy the hardware you want to use and don't assume it will get better over time. Even if Apple suddenly decided they wanted to lock out other OS's (they won't), they can't remotely update the bootloader if you're running Linux.
tpmoney 5y ago
If people have “already put their M1 computers in a drawer somewhere” that’s hardly because Apple “designed [the product] to go in the rubbish bin 2-4 years after manufacture”. Apple has a fairly long arm of support for products. The MacBook pros made in 2014 finally this year stopped receiving new os updates (but are still receiving security updates). The iPhone 6s got iOS 15 this year and that’s a 6 year old device. If people are chucking their devices after 2 years that’s on them

techrat 5y ago

The bigger point that I've been trying to make (regardless of whether or not you think Apple would try to lock down an M1 Macbook) is that I don't trust Apple because of their history. They have a LONG history of making decisions that ultimately are hostile to the user. Apple also has a history of explicitly locking out Linux users. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Apple-T2-Blocks-Linux-UEFI https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Apple-T2... > It looks like even if disabling the Secure Boot functionality, the T2 chip is reportedly still blocking operating systems aside from macOS and Windows 10. This is further than Microsoft has ever gone with hardware. Apple has been dipping their toes into the telemetry and ad tracking waters for a while now. If they see Asahi cutting into those margins because people are buying Apple hardware and installing an OS that prevents them from collecting user data, I can believe they'd see them as a threat. Why? Again, history. Apple has shut down numerous developers who made "competing" features for iOS via apps in the App Store... even though those developers had the app first before Apple decided to add the features into iOS. But yeah, something something security something...

Wowfunhappy 5y ago
Lots of companies have a history of making decisions that are hostile to users. If you avoided all of them, I dare say you'd have a hard time using the internet. This isn't good, but it is the state of the world. Just buy the hardware you want to use and don't assume it will get better over time. Even if Apple suddenly decided they wanted to lock out other OS's (they won't), they can't remotely update the bootloader if you're running Linux.

tpmoney 5y ago

If people have “already put their M1 computers in a drawer somewhere” that’s hardly because Apple “designed [the product] to go in the rubbish bin 2-4 years after manufacture”. Apple has a fairly long arm of support for products. The MacBook pros made in 2014 finally this year stopped receiving new os updates (but are still receiving security updates). The iPhone 6s got iOS 15 this year and that’s a 6 year old device. If people are chucking their devices after 2 years that’s on them