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"State control on economic activity" is extremely broad, and can encompass everything from a USSR style planned economy, to the US government breaking up Standa

"State control on economic activity" is extremely broad, and can encompass everything from a USSR style planned economy, to the US government breaking up Standard Oil, to even food safety regulations. Given the context of the post, and the general user makeup of HN, I assumed you were discussing economic control based on places like the US or EU. I'm not entirely sure how North Korea or Cambodia fit into the previous arguments.

chroem- 5y ago
Places like the DPRK, Cuba, and Venezuela are especially relevant when discussing cryptocurrency because it's a technology that allows people in those locations to escape economic totalitarianism. What confuses me is that people in democratic countries are calling a tool of democracy "anti-democratic". It's completely illogical.
- klibertp 5y ago
  It's possible that the same tool can be used either for, or against, democracy, depending on the environment. That's actually what most tools are like. Using cryptocurrency in an authoritarian state can help democratize the state, while using it in an already democratic state has a potential to do more harm than good. It's similar to violence: using it to kill off the ancien regime can (potentially) pave road towards democracy, while using it to put a non-elected person in charge in an already democratic state will shift the state away from democracy. Disclaimer: I don't have any opinion on this, just reacting to the "completely illogical" comment.
  - Karrot_Kream 5y ago
    I agree with this and it's a good line of reasoning to explore but unfortunately top-level discussions on this topic never contain this much nuance.
- pessimizer 5y ago
  > What confuses me is that people in democratic countries are calling a tool of democracy "anti-democratic". It's completely illogical. It depends on whether the word "democracy" has any meaning. In a democracy, we get to vote on how economic activity is regulated. Crypto is a tool to avoid democracy.
  - chroem- 5y ago
    > In a democracy, we get to vote on how economic activity is regulated. Crypto is a tool to avoid democracy. Do you consider the Democratic People's Republic of Korea to be a democracy? The people in that country vote overwhelmingly in favor of authoritarian policies there. I believe it's reasonable to argue that true democracy is incompatible with authoritarianism.

chroem- 5y ago

Places like the DPRK, Cuba, and Venezuela are especially relevant when discussing cryptocurrency because it's a technology that allows people in those locations to escape economic totalitarianism. What confuses me is that people in democratic countries are calling a tool of democracy "anti-democratic". It's completely illogical.

klibertp 5y ago
It's possible that the same tool can be used either for, or against, democracy, depending on the environment. That's actually what most tools are like. Using cryptocurrency in an authoritarian state can help democratize the state, while using it in an already democratic state has a potential to do more harm than good. It's similar to violence: using it to kill off the ancien regime can (potentially) pave road towards democracy, while using it to put a non-elected person in charge in an already democratic state will shift the state away from democracy. Disclaimer: I don't have any opinion on this, just reacting to the "completely illogical" comment.
- Karrot_Kream 5y ago
  I agree with this and it's a good line of reasoning to explore but unfortunately top-level discussions on this topic never contain this much nuance.
pessimizer 5y ago
> What confuses me is that people in democratic countries are calling a tool of democracy "anti-democratic". It's completely illogical. It depends on whether the word "democracy" has any meaning. In a democracy, we get to vote on how economic activity is regulated. Crypto is a tool to avoid democracy.
- chroem- 5y ago
  > In a democracy, we get to vote on how economic activity is regulated. Crypto is a tool to avoid democracy. Do you consider the Democratic People's Republic of Korea to be a democracy? The people in that country vote overwhelmingly in favor of authoritarian policies there. I believe it's reasonable to argue that true democracy is incompatible with authoritarianism.