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Exactly how does it affect you if you're vaccinated?

heartbreak 5y ago
Medical resources are finite, and there are people who need non-Covid medical care competing for those limited resources. Getting pretty tired of having the same argument with people who are smart enough to figure this out on their own.
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  Yeah you're right so you should have the same issue with obese people. Actually you should have MORE of a problem with them than un-vaccinated since they've been a consistent burden on the system for far longer. Getting pretty tired of the hypocritical and illogical dissonance displayed from people who should be smart enough to think the ENTIRE picture through on their own.
  - heartbreak 5y ago
    Really? Your response is, “What about fat people?” If we could dramatically reduce the negative impacts of obesity with a shot you better believe I’d want that mandated too.
    - CountDrewku 5y ago
      Guess what? It's even easier. You don't even need a shot you can exercise and eat healthy. I want healthy eating and exercise mandated. Since we're all having fun with authoritarianism, problem solved right???? Why don't you go ahead and look up the top 10 causes of death worldwide and then let me know how many of those are partially or directly related to obesity. The entire point of my comment is people with your stance are focusing on the un-vaccinated and turning them into some evil boogie-man that needs to be eradicated when it's completely silly if you zoom out and look at the big picture. THEY AREN'T AFFECTING YOU. Please stop the hypocrisy. I'm so tired of it.
notacoward 5y ago
What @heartbreak said, but also far more. Vaccines aren't 100% so the continuing circulation of the virus will cause some number of those to get sick. Then there are variants. Kids being sent home because someone else tested positive. Travel restrictions. The list goes on. None of this should be news to anybody who has actually been paying attention, and such a person better not be saying "do your own research" to anyone else.
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  > Vaccines aren't 100% so the continuing circulation of the virus will cause some number of those to get sick. Then there are variants. You're negating your own point. Full vaccination is not achievable just stop with this silly pointless rhetoric. >Travel restrictions. The un-vaccinated aren't restricting your travel. You've got a bit of stockholm syndrome going on.
  - notacoward 5y ago
    > Full vaccination is not achievable That's called the fallacy of the excluded middle (sub-species "argument by demanding impossible perfection") and it doesn't negate my own point at all. No, 100% elimination isn't possible, but every reduction helps and literally saves lives. > The un-vaccinated aren't restricting your travel. Simply untrue. There are still countries that won't let me in because I'm from a country with too-high case levels. There are more that I wouldn't go to because I don't want to be in a small confined space for hours on end with people whose oppositional defiant disorder has made them dangerous. I would have liked to visit family in New Zealand this year (from the US). At one time that might have been possible, but no, because of people who are too selfish and/or arrogant to do what's obviously right for public health.
    - CountDrewku 5y ago
      >That's called the fallacy of the excluded middle (sub-species "argument by demanding impossible perfection") and it doesn't negate my own point at all. No, 100% elimination isn't possible, but every reduction helps and literally saves lives. It entirely negates your point since it's predicated on the the fact that un-vaccinated will supposedly continue eating up hospital resources. There is no future where this will stop until the disease has run its course. Therefore, your point is moot. Even more so because you have no objective number of vaccinations or hospital cases that MUST be met. >Simply untrue. There are still countries that won't let me in because I'm from a country with too-high case levels. You really seem to have an issue grasping that those restrictions are coming from the governments of those countries. They are not coming from un-vaccinated people. What's happening is that you've let them create a boogie-man and brainwash you into placing the blame away from the people who are causing your issues. This is how fascism and authoritarianism spreads. I'm sure you can think of a few times in history where certain leaders singled out specific groups for blame and how that worked out. >There are more that I wouldn't go to because I don't want to be in a small confined space for hours That's on you. No one else has a responsibility to protect you. If you don't trust science or the vaccination then it sounds like you have some major health anxiety that needs to be dealt with. If you are vaccinated and you're going into a country like NZ there is ZERO logic in saying you cannot enter due to your country of origin having a higher case load. This absolute stupidity. Place the blame where it lies. NZ is full of anti-science morons, it has nothing to do with un-vaccinated people in the US. Give me hard objective numbers that must be met for all restrictions/lockdowns to be dropped please. I'll save you some time. THEY DON'T EXIST. This means they will continue to string you along blaming all of their authoritarian tactics on specific group of people that aren't actually doing anything to you. Let me guess... you also blamed the kid who talked too much in class when the teacher took your pizza party away? It wasn't the kid who took that from you.

Medical resources are finite, and there are people who need non-Covid medical care competing for those limited resources. Getting pretty tired of having the same argument with people who are smart enough to figure this out on their own.

CountDrewku 5y ago
Yeah you're right so you should have the same issue with obese people. Actually you should have MORE of a problem with them than un-vaccinated since they've been a consistent burden on the system for far longer. Getting pretty tired of the hypocritical and illogical dissonance displayed from people who should be smart enough to think the ENTIRE picture through on their own.
- heartbreak 5y ago
  Really? Your response is, “What about fat people?” If we could dramatically reduce the negative impacts of obesity with a shot you better believe I’d want that mandated too.
  - CountDrewku 5y ago
    Guess what? It's even easier. You don't even need a shot you can exercise and eat healthy. I want healthy eating and exercise mandated. Since we're all having fun with authoritarianism, problem solved right???? Why don't you go ahead and look up the top 10 causes of death worldwide and then let me know how many of those are partially or directly related to obesity. The entire point of my comment is people with your stance are focusing on the un-vaccinated and turning them into some evil boogie-man that needs to be eradicated when it's completely silly if you zoom out and look at the big picture. THEY AREN'T AFFECTING YOU. Please stop the hypocrisy. I'm so tired of it.

notacoward 5y ago

What @heartbreak said, but also far more. Vaccines aren't 100% so the continuing circulation of the virus will cause some number of those to get sick. Then there are variants. Kids being sent home because someone else tested positive. Travel restrictions. The list goes on. None of this should be news to anybody who has actually been paying attention, and such a person better not be saying "do your own research" to anyone else.

CountDrewku 5y ago
> Vaccines aren't 100% so the continuing circulation of the virus will cause some number of those to get sick. Then there are variants. You're negating your own point. Full vaccination is not achievable just stop with this silly pointless rhetoric. >Travel restrictions. The un-vaccinated aren't restricting your travel. You've got a bit of stockholm syndrome going on.
- notacoward 5y ago
  > Full vaccination is not achievable That's called the fallacy of the excluded middle (sub-species "argument by demanding impossible perfection") and it doesn't negate my own point at all. No, 100% elimination isn't possible, but every reduction helps and literally saves lives. > The un-vaccinated aren't restricting your travel. Simply untrue. There are still countries that won't let me in because I'm from a country with too-high case levels. There are more that I wouldn't go to because I don't want to be in a small confined space for hours on end with people whose oppositional defiant disorder has made them dangerous. I would have liked to visit family in New Zealand this year (from the US). At one time that might have been possible, but no, because of people who are too selfish and/or arrogant to do what's obviously right for public health.
  - CountDrewku 5y ago
    >That's called the fallacy of the excluded middle (sub-species "argument by demanding impossible perfection") and it doesn't negate my own point at all. No, 100% elimination isn't possible, but every reduction helps and literally saves lives. It entirely negates your point since it's predicated on the the fact that un-vaccinated will supposedly continue eating up hospital resources. There is no future where this will stop until the disease has run its course. Therefore, your point is moot. Even more so because you have no objective number of vaccinations or hospital cases that MUST be met. >Simply untrue. There are still countries that won't let me in because I'm from a country with too-high case levels. You really seem to have an issue grasping that those restrictions are coming from the governments of those countries. They are not coming from un-vaccinated people. What's happening is that you've let them create a boogie-man and brainwash you into placing the blame away from the people who are causing your issues. This is how fascism and authoritarianism spreads. I'm sure you can think of a few times in history where certain leaders singled out specific groups for blame and how that worked out. >There are more that I wouldn't go to because I don't want to be in a small confined space for hours That's on you. No one else has a responsibility to protect you. If you don't trust science or the vaccination then it sounds like you have some major health anxiety that needs to be dealt with. If you are vaccinated and you're going into a country like NZ there is ZERO logic in saying you cannot enter due to your country of origin having a higher case load. This absolute stupidity. Place the blame where it lies. NZ is full of anti-science morons, it has nothing to do with un-vaccinated people in the US. Give me hard objective numbers that must be met for all restrictions/lockdowns to be dropped please. I'll save you some time. THEY DON'T EXIST. This means they will continue to string you along blaming all of their authoritarian tactics on specific group of people that aren't actually doing anything to you. Let me guess... you also blamed the kid who talked too much in class when the teacher took your pizza party away? It wasn't the kid who took that from you.