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> Odd, because here I am with an Intel laptop running Linux that manages that just fine. Then it's not an Ivy Bridge running multiple external displays on KDE.

> Odd, because here I am with an Intel laptop running Linux that manages that just fine. Then it's not an Ivy Bridge running multiple external displays on KDE. > Honestly, this is just ridiculous. Go ask the Nouveau folks how their reverse engineering project is going. Nvidia created an actively hostile firmware situation. We already have the firmware story worked out. Plus having to support a bazillion GPU generations with incompatible interfaces burns people out. We're starting with one, and Apple has a much better track record of incremental change and avoiding hardware churn. This is unique, and we've literally heard from Apple employees that this is an explicit goal. It shows all throughout the SoC design. > and all you can do is keep on reverse engineering in the hopes of keeping up. And we will keep on reverse engineering, and we'll keep up :-)

CarelessExpert 5y ago
> Then it's not an Ivy Bridge running multiple external displays on KDE. Tiger Lake (whose microarchitecture I just learned is Willow Cove) running Gnome via Wayland (damn HiDPI...), single external display via USB C dock plus an onboard. More fully, previously I was running a Lenovo X1C5 with Intel integrated graphics. Again, no issues there. In that case I ran Xorg with TearFree enabled. I'm currently running a Framework sporting an i7-1165G7 with the aforementioned setup. It was genuinely a little shocking, having spent my earlier days manually hacking modelines in X, to see this hardware come up flawlessly on first boot with Ubuntu 21.04... amazing what a reasonably open hardware ecosystem will enable. jab jab ;) > We're starting with one, and Apple has a much better track record of incremental change and avoiding hardware churn. This is unique, and we've literally heard from Apple employees that this is an explicit goal. It shows all throughout the SoC design. Absolutely a fair point! I concede that the reverse engineering story with Apple may very well be less painful than it is with other vendors. Honestly, I hope for your sanity that it is! :D
- kelnos 5y ago
  I think it's a little bizarre that you seem to think that just because you have no issues with video tearing on a few different Linux-based setups you've used, no one else possibly could on their (likely pretty different) setup.
smoldesu 5y ago
I think you're being incredibly reductive with your claims about screen tearing. I've run a 1080p display off my horribly outdated i5 520m, and I never noticed any tearing on it. Same goes for my Skylake notebook, desktop Haswell iGPU and even my old Raspberry Pi from 2014. You may have just gotten extremely unlucky with your hardware.
- kelnos 5y ago
  I feel like the "everything works great on my machine, so if it doesn't on yours then you must be really unlucky" argument should have been retired years ago.
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  - smoldesu 5y ago
    On the contrary, I'd argue it's become increasingly relevant in the age of ARM laptops and Windows 11 hardware requirements.

CarelessExpert 5y ago

> Then it's not an Ivy Bridge running multiple external displays on KDE. Tiger Lake (whose microarchitecture I just learned is Willow Cove) running Gnome via Wayland (damn HiDPI...), single external display via USB C dock plus an onboard. More fully, previously I was running a Lenovo X1C5 with Intel integrated graphics. Again, no issues there. In that case I ran Xorg with TearFree enabled. I'm currently running a Framework sporting an i7-1165G7 with the aforementioned setup. It was genuinely a little shocking, having spent my earlier days manually hacking modelines in X, to see this hardware come up flawlessly on first boot with Ubuntu 21.04... amazing what a reasonably open hardware ecosystem will enable. jab jab ;) > We're starting with one, and Apple has a much better track record of incremental change and avoiding hardware churn. This is unique, and we've literally heard from Apple employees that this is an explicit goal. It shows all throughout the SoC design. Absolutely a fair point! I concede that the reverse engineering story with Apple may very well be less painful than it is with other vendors. Honestly, I hope for your sanity that it is! :D

kelnos 5y ago
I think it's a little bizarre that you seem to think that just because you have no issues with video tearing on a few different Linux-based setups you've used, no one else possibly could on their (likely pretty different) setup.

smoldesu 5y ago

I think you're being incredibly reductive with your claims about screen tearing. I've run a 1080p display off my horribly outdated i5 520m, and I never noticed any tearing on it. Same goes for my Skylake notebook, desktop Haswell iGPU and even my old Raspberry Pi from 2014. You may have just gotten extremely unlucky with your hardware.

kelnos 5y ago
I feel like the "everything works great on my machine, so if it doesn't on yours then you must be really unlucky" argument should have been retired years ago.
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- smoldesu 5y ago
  On the contrary, I'd argue it's become increasingly relevant in the age of ARM laptops and Windows 11 hardware requirements.