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The attitude that pushing on technology that seems hard isn't worth it. We can do both. We should do both. At any rate, I'd suggest you go read marcan_'s repl

The attitude that pushing on technology that seems hard isn't worth it. We can do both. We should do both. At any rate, I'd suggest you go read marcan_'s replies and the OP submitted to HN because the picture you paint and the picture they paint of this platform are not quite the same to begin with. I think the people doing the work deserve a little more credit to describe the platform they're working on.

CarelessExpert 5y ago
> We can do both. We should do both. So, other than for the intellectual curiosity (which is absolutely a great reason!), I have a simple question: why? Edit: By the way, thinking about it, I have my own answer to this question: So that this hardware can continue to remain useful long after Apple has ended support for it. Of course, I continue to believe that it's better, now, to simply buy hardware that doesn't need this kind of reverse engineering to ensure longevity, and I steer my hardware purchases accordingly. But the hardware exists, and people are buying it, so this project is a way to keep it alive after Apple eventually abandons it (which, granted, could be a long time; while I have a lot of problems with Apple, they are very good about continuing to support old gear).
- randomguy1234 5y ago
  > Of course, I continue to believe that it's better, now, to simply buy hardware that doesn't need this kind of reverse engineering to ensure longevity, and I steer my hardware purchases accordingly. For Linux and BSD, ALL OF IT was hacked and reversed engineered from the beginning. With your stupid mentality we would never have any free operating systems, we would only have proprietary operating systems. This is how its done. New hardware is released, someone hacks it, then its supported. If we are forced to wait like children for manufacturers permission or assistance (which is not actually required) then Linux, BSD, and other free / open source operating systems would never exist. Linux has been ported to every modern computing device on the planet and this M1 port is par for the course. Only an actual idiot would recommend Linux devs should ignore the M1.

CarelessExpert 5y ago

> We can do both. We should do both. So, other than for the intellectual curiosity (which is absolutely a great reason!), I have a simple question: why? Edit: By the way, thinking about it, I have my own answer to this question: So that this hardware can continue to remain useful long after Apple has ended support for it. Of course, I continue to believe that it's better, now, to simply buy hardware that doesn't need this kind of reverse engineering to ensure longevity, and I steer my hardware purchases accordingly. But the hardware exists, and people are buying it, so this project is a way to keep it alive after Apple eventually abandons it (which, granted, could be a long time; while I have a lot of problems with Apple, they are very good about continuing to support old gear).

randomguy1234 5y ago
> Of course, I continue to believe that it's better, now, to simply buy hardware that doesn't need this kind of reverse engineering to ensure longevity, and I steer my hardware purchases accordingly. For Linux and BSD, ALL OF IT was hacked and reversed engineered from the beginning. With your stupid mentality we would never have any free operating systems, we would only have proprietary operating systems. This is how its done. New hardware is released, someone hacks it, then its supported. If we are forced to wait like children for manufacturers permission or assistance (which is not actually required) then Linux, BSD, and other free / open source operating systems would never exist. Linux has been ported to every modern computing device on the planet and this M1 port is par for the course. Only an actual idiot would recommend Linux devs should ignore the M1.