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Do the Linux kernel devs use Zoom? Do they work together in one building? How about any of the BSDs? Do they use Zoom or work together in one building — aside f

Do the Linux kernel devs use Zoom? Do they work together in one building? How about any of the BSDs? Do they use Zoom or work together in one building — aside from hackathons? No, but the rest of us are supposed to put up with this bullshit? Bosses and CEOs will literally force workers to Zoom from the office instead of going to therapy.

toomuchtodo 5y ago
> No, but the rest of us are supposed to put up with this bullshit? Bosses and CEOs will literally force workers to Zoom from the office instead of going to therapy. Hashicorp is fully remote, they're always hiring, and I highly recommend the culture [1] (to name one enormously successful, remote first org). Lots of other orgs to pick from [2]. You can't convince executives, who are dead set on return to office, on remote work anymore than you can convince a southern baptist there is no God. These are strongly held belief systems, not data driven decisions. Don't swim upstream; vote with your feet and don't work for orgs that make arbitrary requirements about where knowledge work is performed. Another path is legislation/regulation requiring businesses accommodate remote work when able (because, of course, you can't trust that they'll offer it out of the goodness of their hearts), but that takes more time and collective effort to accomplish [3]. [1] https://www.hashicorp.com/resources/remote-culture-at-hashicorp https://www.hashicorp.com/resources/remote-culture-at-hashic... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28719320 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28719320 (Control-F remote) [3] https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/10/03/which-countries-plan-to-offer-remote-working-as-a-legal-right https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/10/03/which-countries-pla...
- sokoloff 5y ago
  I’m entirely unconvinced that legislation is needed here. If remote-first is a winner, firms using it will outcompete those who don’t. Forcing businesses against their will to make an accommodation isn’t likely to put those accommodated workers onto an equal footing with those complying with return-to-office wishes. So you then pass more legislation as a bad patch over your first ill-advised patch. Remote and in-office can both exist. If one is wildly better than the other, it will become dominant.
- ripper1138 5y ago
  No need to convince anyone or write new laws. If remote work is more efficient then it will win in the market eventually.
  - bradknowles 5y ago
    Not without whole generations of executives and managers dying off. Do you want to wait another sixty years before remote-everything is the norm? Forty years?

toomuchtodo 5y ago

> No, but the rest of us are supposed to put up with this bullshit? Bosses and CEOs will literally force workers to Zoom from the office instead of going to therapy. Hashicorp is fully remote, they're always hiring, and I highly recommend the culture [1] (to name one enormously successful, remote first org). Lots of other orgs to pick from [2]. You can't convince executives, who are dead set on return to office, on remote work anymore than you can convince a southern baptist there is no God. These are strongly held belief systems, not data driven decisions. Don't swim upstream; vote with your feet and don't work for orgs that make arbitrary requirements about where knowledge work is performed. Another path is legislation/regulation requiring businesses accommodate remote work when able (because, of course, you can't trust that they'll offer it out of the goodness of their hearts), but that takes more time and collective effort to accomplish [3]. [1] https://www.hashicorp.com/resources/remote-culture-at-hashicorp https://www.hashicorp.com/resources/remote-culture-at-hashic... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28719320 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28719320 (Control-F remote) [3] https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/10/03/which-countries-plan-to-offer-remote-working-as-a-legal-right https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/10/03/which-countries-pla...

sokoloff 5y ago
I’m entirely unconvinced that legislation is needed here. If remote-first is a winner, firms using it will outcompete those who don’t. Forcing businesses against their will to make an accommodation isn’t likely to put those accommodated workers onto an equal footing with those complying with return-to-office wishes. So you then pass more legislation as a bad patch over your first ill-advised patch. Remote and in-office can both exist. If one is wildly better than the other, it will become dominant.
ripper1138 5y ago
No need to convince anyone or write new laws. If remote work is more efficient then it will win in the market eventually.
- bradknowles 5y ago
  Not without whole generations of executives and managers dying off. Do you want to wait another sixty years before remote-everything is the norm? Forty years?