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Is it...at least decentralized? Doesn't seem to be. The main issues here are not whether some centralized entity does good things or whether some centralized en

Is it...at least decentralized? Doesn't seem to be. The main issues here are not whether some centralized entity does good things or whether some centralized entity does bad things but rather that there is a centralized entity. This entity could shift from doing good things to doing bad things whenever they feel like it, and are free to take the entire network with them. I'm not going to join some new service on the basis of "trust us, we swear lol." Show me a protocol, not a service. Maybe non-predatory social media and profit-driven production just aren't compatible.

morganvachon 5y ago
Sounds like Mastodon is for you. https://joinmastodon.org/ https://joinmastodon.org/
- riffic 5y ago
  > Show me a protocol Based on the W3C recommendation, ActivityPub. https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ There are other interoperable implementations noted here: https://git.feneas.org/feneas/fediverse/-/wikis/watchlist-for-activitypub-apps https://git.feneas.org/feneas/fediverse/-/wikis/watchlist-fo...
kemiller 5y ago
There was a point in the development of the internet when we switched, without a lot of discussion at the time or since, from a world of collaboratively-developed, open and decentralized protocols, to a world of private silos. It's like the internet developed to the point of creating HTTP and then that one broke things from there on out — can you think of a single major communications protocol that was created after HTTP and is still in use? Seems like it's pretty hard for open distributed protocols to compete with the convenience of vertical, for-profit sites. If we can ever sort out the problems with cryptocurrencies+smart contracts, one of them might someday provide a path to creating the right set of incentives allow splitting protocol creation, hosting, and maintenance once again. No idea if that will come to pass though.
- flyingfences 5y ago
  > can you think of a single major communications protocol that was created after HTTP and is still in use? Trivially, HTTPS. Not to detract from your larger point, with which I tend to agree...
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morganvachon 5y ago

Sounds like Mastodon is for you. https://joinmastodon.org/ https://joinmastodon.org/

riffic 5y ago
> Show me a protocol Based on the W3C recommendation, ActivityPub. https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ There are other interoperable implementations noted here: https://git.feneas.org/feneas/fediverse/-/wikis/watchlist-for-activitypub-apps https://git.feneas.org/feneas/fediverse/-/wikis/watchlist-fo...

kemiller 5y ago

There was a point in the development of the internet when we switched, without a lot of discussion at the time or since, from a world of collaboratively-developed, open and decentralized protocols, to a world of private silos. It's like the internet developed to the point of creating HTTP and then that one broke things from there on out — can you think of a single major communications protocol that was created after HTTP and is still in use? Seems like it's pretty hard for open distributed protocols to compete with the convenience of vertical, for-profit sites. If we can ever sort out the problems with cryptocurrencies+smart contracts, one of them might someday provide a path to creating the right set of incentives allow splitting protocol creation, hosting, and maintenance once again. No idea if that will come to pass though.

flyingfences 5y ago
> can you think of a single major communications protocol that was created after HTTP and is still in use? Trivially, HTTPS. Not to detract from your larger point, with which I tend to agree...

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