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This is straight-up deflection. It makes sense to start somewhere, so why not the biggest player in town? That would be Facebook, with billions of active users.

This is straight-up deflection. It makes sense to start somewhere, so why not the biggest player in town? That would be Facebook, with billions of active users. None of those cable channels are even close to 100s of millions of viewers.

fullshark 5y ago
Considering the claim that FB committed securities fraud based on the evidence we've seen so far is pretty laughable, it appears her testimony is designed to encourage new laws and regulations for (social in particular) media companies. As such a conversation about the industry at large and its practices makes sense.
justicezyx 5y ago
No, calling out more fundamental and broker problem is the first step to address the root problem. Otherwise, you are just whacking moles, and pretending that one day there would be no more moles... Or rather, you indeed are OK with a constant number of moles indefinitely. That's OK. But the premise of the parent is obviously that the moles are growing too numerous and are not staying constant at all...
6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
I mean, I think this should be an 'and' thing, not an 'or' thing. Don't deflect from FB. But when FB's dirty laundry is aired, air these other groups' too.
- asdff 5y ago
  Easier to set a precedent against one org and use that to enforce good behavior towards other orgs in the future. It's how we've always gone after corrupted industries in this country. If you go after every bad egg at once you aren't going to win.
  - 6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
    I don't think we're disagreeing.
hunterb123 5y ago
Main stream media and social media are recursive. Social media shares main stream media stories. Main stream media stories use social media as sources. Social media shares social media source as story.
- cratermoon 5y ago
  But which of the those two have made doing the harmful amplification for profit a business model?
  - hunterb123 5y ago
    The main stream media of course. FB makes money on ads. FB's media is organic from users. The MSM is orchestrated.
    - cratermoon 5y ago
      And how do they make money on ads?
AzzieElbab 5y ago
None of those cable channels are even close to 100s of millions of viewers. That is not fair at all. TV networks are local, there are only 330M ppl in the US. Also, you are not counting how many viewers TV networks and their employees reach via FB/Twitter.

fullshark 5y ago

Considering the claim that FB committed securities fraud based on the evidence we've seen so far is pretty laughable, it appears her testimony is designed to encourage new laws and regulations for (social in particular) media companies. As such a conversation about the industry at large and its practices makes sense.

justicezyx 5y ago

No, calling out more fundamental and broker problem is the first step to address the root problem. Otherwise, you are just whacking moles, and pretending that one day there would be no more moles... Or rather, you indeed are OK with a constant number of moles indefinitely. That's OK. But the premise of the parent is obviously that the moles are growing too numerous and are not staying constant at all...

6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago

I mean, I think this should be an 'and' thing, not an 'or' thing. Don't deflect from FB. But when FB's dirty laundry is aired, air these other groups' too.

asdff 5y ago
Easier to set a precedent against one org and use that to enforce good behavior towards other orgs in the future. It's how we've always gone after corrupted industries in this country. If you go after every bad egg at once you aren't going to win.
- 6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
  I don't think we're disagreeing.

hunterb123 5y ago

Main stream media and social media are recursive. Social media shares main stream media stories. Main stream media stories use social media as sources. Social media shares social media source as story.

cratermoon 5y ago
But which of the those two have made doing the harmful amplification for profit a business model?
- hunterb123 5y ago
  The main stream media of course. FB makes money on ads. FB's media is organic from users. The MSM is orchestrated.
  - cratermoon 5y ago
    And how do they make money on ads?

AzzieElbab 5y ago

None of those cable channels are even close to 100s of millions of viewers. That is not fair at all. TV networks are local, there are only 330M ppl in the US. Also, you are not counting how many viewers TV networks and their employees reach via FB/Twitter.