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My public information is not tied intimately to my behavior and social circles.

by Steltek 5y ago

SavantIdiot 5y ago
Unless you live in a shed in the Rockies, I got bad news for you.
- Steltek 5y ago
  Skip the trite cliches, what are you talking about? My driver's license, passport, whatever does not directly encode my relationships other than simple demographics. I'm not under an illusion that I myself am personally anonymous. I'm sure I leave enough breadcrumbs around the Internet but that's my (dubious) choice. However, force me to verify my identity, use my real name, or enter a phone number and I lose that opportunity.
  - SavantIdiot 5y ago
    Every time I swipe my credit card, an intimate profile of who I am and what I do is updated. I don't see the difference between verifying my identity to use a service, and the thousands of other electronic activities I perform on a daily basis that succinctly outline what I do. This nonsense that one more organization asking for ID is somehow the straw the broke the camels back is decades too late. You say you are under no illusions, and then you demonstrate with words that you are under illusions. You don't see it? It is clear as a bell to me.
    - trutannus 5y ago
      I still fail to see how this makes the idea of trusting Facebook or any other social media company with my ID any better. What's clear as a bell to me is that, given how Facebook is known to behave reprehensibly, giving them more data is not something we should even be considering. It's a lot like saying "well now, this boat is full of holes, so rather than start patching them, let's just open several new ones".
      - SavantIdiot 5y ago
        > let's just open several new ones I see it as the exact opposite: the gambler's fallacy. "This time we'll protect our privacy! I got a lucky feeling!!" Doors open. Horse is gone. ID is actually smarter in this case because it will prevent fake accounts, which is a huge problem given their failures at policing the horrible things being done behind anonymity.
        trutannus 5y ago
        This isn't even remotely close to the gambler's fallacy. This isn't an issue of statistics, or probabilities being skewed 'this time'. Really what the question being asked is if you want to force people by law to hand more information over to organizations like Facebook. Legislation or not, Facebook and their ilk will abuse this data. Give it time, and so will any government. Your argument is basically "yeah, well it's so bad at this point we might as well not even try to stop it". In addition: > policing the horrible things being done behind anonymity Anonymity isn't something you can just do away with and have a happy ending. In some parts of the world, anonymity is the only thing standing between people and their government. That's not something I'd like to see done away with. The Afghan people need anonymity now more than nearly anyone else in the world. As do the Chinese, the Turkmens, Eritreans, domestic violence victims, and anyone who lives in a world where being identified could lead to a swift, brutal death. What are these folks to do? Hide forever? If that's the result, then we are not just seeing social cooling, we're looking at a social ice age.

My public information is not tied intimately to my behavior and social circles.

SavantIdiot 5y ago

Unless you live in a shed in the Rockies, I got bad news for you.

Steltek 5y ago
Skip the trite cliches, what are you talking about? My driver's license, passport, whatever does not directly encode my relationships other than simple demographics. I'm not under an illusion that I myself am personally anonymous. I'm sure I leave enough breadcrumbs around the Internet but that's my (dubious) choice. However, force me to verify my identity, use my real name, or enter a phone number and I lose that opportunity.
- SavantIdiot 5y ago
  Every time I swipe my credit card, an intimate profile of who I am and what I do is updated. I don't see the difference between verifying my identity to use a service, and the thousands of other electronic activities I perform on a daily basis that succinctly outline what I do. This nonsense that one more organization asking for ID is somehow the straw the broke the camels back is decades too late. You say you are under no illusions, and then you demonstrate with words that you are under illusions. You don't see it? It is clear as a bell to me.
  - trutannus 5y ago
    I still fail to see how this makes the idea of trusting Facebook or any other social media company with my ID any better. What's clear as a bell to me is that, given how Facebook is known to behave reprehensibly, giving them more data is not something we should even be considering. It's a lot like saying "well now, this boat is full of holes, so rather than start patching them, let's just open several new ones".
    - SavantIdiot 5y ago
      > let's just open several new ones I see it as the exact opposite: the gambler's fallacy. "This time we'll protect our privacy! I got a lucky feeling!!" Doors open. Horse is gone. ID is actually smarter in this case because it will prevent fake accounts, which is a huge problem given their failures at policing the horrible things being done behind anonymity.
      - trutannus 5y ago
        This isn't even remotely close to the gambler's fallacy. This isn't an issue of statistics, or probabilities being skewed 'this time'. Really what the question being asked is if you want to force people by law to hand more information over to organizations like Facebook. Legislation or not, Facebook and their ilk will abuse this data. Give it time, and so will any government. Your argument is basically "yeah, well it's so bad at this point we might as well not even try to stop it". In addition: > policing the horrible things being done behind anonymity Anonymity isn't something you can just do away with and have a happy ending. In some parts of the world, anonymity is the only thing standing between people and their government. That's not something I'd like to see done away with. The Afghan people need anonymity now more than nearly anyone else in the world. As do the Chinese, the Turkmens, Eritreans, domestic violence victims, and anyone who lives in a world where being identified could lead to a swift, brutal death. What are these folks to do? Hide forever? If that's the result, then we are not just seeing social cooling, we're looking at a social ice age.