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> This is authoritarian hyperbole. No, not really. Just because you managed to put together a business model and get an investor to trust you with some cash th

by nuerow 5y ago

> This is authoritarian hyperbole. No, not really. Just because you managed to put together a business model and get an investor to trust you with some cash that does not mean you have a greenlight from society to act as racist and as sexist as you desire. Everyone around you still has the right to be treated with respect and not be subjected to any sort of abuse, specially those that are actively working to validate your business and make you rich. In fact, allowing for a racist/sexist work environment to fester is an incredibly stupid move, as you're hindering productivity and limiting your access to skilled employees.

ngcazz 5y ago
Indeed. I keep getting reminded of the Basecamp debacle, which was entirely a failure of leadership.
jollybean 5y ago
The rhetorical scare tactic of implying that somehow people who oppose this ridiculous ruling somehow think that 'racism should be ok' - is not an argument. "They didn't put in the accessibility ramp - stop capitalism now!" So once again - hyperbole - this time with a strawman thrown in for good measure. Nobody is remotely suggesting someone shouldn't be able to go to work and not be called racial slurs. The issue is a) to what degree this is systematic and a part of company function and b) proportionality. The ruling is unreasonable and stupid, it's driven by greed, ideology and a 'law by litigation' approach to everything, which doesn't bode well for anyone.
- nuerow 5y ago
  > The issue is a) to what degree this is systematic and a part of company function and b) proportionality. The federal court already concluded that the racism problem at Tesla was widespread and systematic, and was aided by the company's internal arbitration process which was bad enough that a Tesla shareholder voiced concerns it "enabled harassment and other problems". The proportionality was obviously well justified, given that the bulk of it corresponded to punitive damages. The whole point of punitive damages is to punish the defendant, which is a company with an estimated market value of 800 billion dollars. If there was any doubt regarding how well justified was the decision, you can simply look at how the ruling motivated Tesla's shareholders to address its racism and harassment problem right in their shareholder's meeting. This has been a long lasting problem at Tesla which has been festering for years, with multiple similar complaints handled (and muffled) internally, but it took this court ruling to finally get the company to address it.

by nuerow 5y ago

ngcazz 5y ago

Indeed. I keep getting reminded of the Basecamp debacle, which was entirely a failure of leadership.

jollybean 5y ago

The rhetorical scare tactic of implying that somehow people who oppose this ridiculous ruling somehow think that 'racism should be ok' - is not an argument. "They didn't put in the accessibility ramp - stop capitalism now!" So once again - hyperbole - this time with a strawman thrown in for good measure. Nobody is remotely suggesting someone shouldn't be able to go to work and not be called racial slurs. The issue is a) to what degree this is systematic and a part of company function and b) proportionality. The ruling is unreasonable and stupid, it's driven by greed, ideology and a 'law by litigation' approach to everything, which doesn't bode well for anyone.

nuerow 5y ago
> The issue is a) to what degree this is systematic and a part of company function and b) proportionality. The federal court already concluded that the racism problem at Tesla was widespread and systematic, and was aided by the company's internal arbitration process which was bad enough that a Tesla shareholder voiced concerns it "enabled harassment and other problems". The proportionality was obviously well justified, given that the bulk of it corresponded to punitive damages. The whole point of punitive damages is to punish the defendant, which is a company with an estimated market value of 800 billion dollars. If there was any doubt regarding how well justified was the decision, you can simply look at how the ruling motivated Tesla's shareholders to address its racism and harassment problem right in their shareholder's meeting. This has been a long lasting problem at Tesla which has been festering for years, with multiple similar complaints handled (and muffled) internally, but it took this court ruling to finally get the company to address it.