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There is a categorical difference between "the vaccine has microchips in it" and "we have seen a coalescing of forces behind Big Tech, the Press, and Government

by scop 5y ago

There is a categorical difference between "the vaccine has microchips in it" and "we have seen a coalescing of forces behind Big Tech, the Press, and Government over the last several years that is rightly frightening". If you cannot recognize that difference, then may I politely suggest that you ponder the idea of "intellectual laziness".

epgui 5y ago
Yes these are big forces, but they’re all pushing in different directions. Either way this is a bit of a straw man.
- _-david-_ 5y ago
  >Yes these are big forces, but they’re all pushing in different directions Are they though? All 3 of these groups have been pushing for only their narrative to be heard. Any other voice is misinformation at best and disinformation at worst.
  - epgui 5y ago
    If you feel this way, have you ever considered that you may be a victim of or participating in the dissemination of misinformation or disinformation?
    - scop 5y ago
      Which of the following represents disinformation: (a) the Hunter Biden laptop is likely a Russian ploy (b) the Hunter Biden laptop was verified independently by journalists and colleagues Which of the following represents misinformation: (a) it is very curious that a global pandemic originated in the same location as a biosafety level 4 lab (b) it was impossible that the virus originated from a lab and in fact it is xenophobic and racist to imply the virus originated in a lab In both stories, Big Tech + Government + The Press all took swift and unified action towards the "approved" narrative.
      - epgui 5y ago
        I'm going to ignore the laptop thing because I don't see how it is important and it is outside my area of expertise. However, the second point falls very very close to my area of expertise (biochem), so I'll humour you. > (a) it is very curious that a global pandemic originated in the same location as a biosafety level 4 lab The above statement actually contains no information: it is a bad faith / rhetorical statement. There are high security labs all around the world, particularly where there are people... so the odds that any event happens fairly close to one are fairly high. > (b) it was impossible that the virus originated from a lab and in fact it is xenophobic and racist to imply the virus originated in a lab This here conflates different issues in a disingenuous way. My expert opinion is that it is more likely to have emerged outside of a lab, but yes, it is also possible that the virus originated in a lab. The second part of your sentence is hysterically incorrect.
    - _-david-_ 5y ago
      The problem is sometimes these groups are wrong. It was misinformation to say that the virus COULD have come from a lab. Obviously we don't know for certain, but to even suggest it may have been from a lab was called misinformation. If you think that is misinformation than you are the one who is a victim of or participating in the dissemination of misinformation or disinformation.
      - epgui 5y ago
        > It was misinformation to say that the virus COULD have come from a lab. No, and in my experience this is not how things were presented. It _is_ misinformation to suggest that that is the likeliest explanation or to imply that we have a good reason to think so. At a higher level, there's also the question of context, and the question of what the appropriate forum for such discussion is, and what is productive or non-productive geopolitically. But it's not misinformation to float the idea and explore the possibility.
        _-david-_ 5y ago
        >But it's not misinformation to float the idea and explore the possibility Tell that to the fact checkers and the social media companies that display the fact checks.

by scop 5y ago

epgui 5y ago

Yes these are big forces, but they’re all pushing in different directions. Either way this is a bit of a straw man.

_-david-_ 5y ago
>Yes these are big forces, but they’re all pushing in different directions Are they though? All 3 of these groups have been pushing for only their narrative to be heard. Any other voice is misinformation at best and disinformation at worst.
- epgui 5y ago
  If you feel this way, have you ever considered that you may be a victim of or participating in the dissemination of misinformation or disinformation?
  - scop 5y ago
    Which of the following represents disinformation: (a) the Hunter Biden laptop is likely a Russian ploy (b) the Hunter Biden laptop was verified independently by journalists and colleagues Which of the following represents misinformation: (a) it is very curious that a global pandemic originated in the same location as a biosafety level 4 lab (b) it was impossible that the virus originated from a lab and in fact it is xenophobic and racist to imply the virus originated in a lab In both stories, Big Tech + Government + The Press all took swift and unified action towards the "approved" narrative.
    - epgui 5y ago
      I'm going to ignore the laptop thing because I don't see how it is important and it is outside my area of expertise. However, the second point falls very very close to my area of expertise (biochem), so I'll humour you. > (a) it is very curious that a global pandemic originated in the same location as a biosafety level 4 lab The above statement actually contains no information: it is a bad faith / rhetorical statement. There are high security labs all around the world, particularly where there are people... so the odds that any event happens fairly close to one are fairly high. > (b) it was impossible that the virus originated from a lab and in fact it is xenophobic and racist to imply the virus originated in a lab This here conflates different issues in a disingenuous way. My expert opinion is that it is more likely to have emerged outside of a lab, but yes, it is also possible that the virus originated in a lab. The second part of your sentence is hysterically incorrect.
  - _-david-_ 5y ago
    The problem is sometimes these groups are wrong. It was misinformation to say that the virus COULD have come from a lab. Obviously we don't know for certain, but to even suggest it may have been from a lab was called misinformation. If you think that is misinformation than you are the one who is a victim of or participating in the dissemination of misinformation or disinformation.
    - epgui 5y ago
      > It was misinformation to say that the virus COULD have come from a lab. No, and in my experience this is not how things were presented. It _is_ misinformation to suggest that that is the likeliest explanation or to imply that we have a good reason to think so. At a higher level, there's also the question of context, and the question of what the appropriate forum for such discussion is, and what is productive or non-productive geopolitically. But it's not misinformation to float the idea and explore the possibility.
      - _-david-_ 5y ago
        >But it's not misinformation to float the idea and explore the possibility Tell that to the fact checkers and the social media companies that display the fact checks.