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It’s not “unknown” to technologists. How it all works is very unknown to the average parent. This thread seems to think the government needs to function with

It’s not “unknown” to technologists. How it all works is very unknown to the average parent. This thread seems to think the government needs to function with the logic of this thread in mind. Pretty entitled to believe you’re the only perspective worth listening to. Any individual is just “one of seven billion.” Shut the computers off and what perspective do you have that puts you above anyone else?

InsomniacL 5y ago
I found your post hard to follow overall. For example, who does this apply to and why? > Pretty entitled to believe you’re the only perspective worth listening to.
- arbitrage 5y ago
  I mean it's fairly well laid out of a topic. Which part specifically are you having trouble with?
  - InsomniacL 5y ago
    are you a bot? I gave a specific example in the post you're replying to.
    - arbitrage 5y ago
      i don't think i'm a bot. what makes you say that?
jtdev 5y ago
Your perspective disregards the likelihood that this whistleblowers input will be used to censor political speech rather than actually protect children and teens online.
xboxnolifes 5y ago
> It’s not “unknown” to technologists. I think the odd bit is that if this information isn't unknown to anyone in technology, even those not working on similar systems, then how is this "whistleblowing". It's like calling informing people about marginal tax rates "whistleblowing" because so many people don't understand how they work.
- anon9001 5y ago
  > It's like calling informing people about marginal tax rates "whistleblowing" because so many people don't understand how they work. You mean like these? * https://www.propublica.org/article/lord-of-the-roths-how-tech-mogul-peter-thiel-turned-a-retirement-account-for-the-middle-class-into-a-5-billion-dollar-tax-free-piggy-bank https://www.propublica.org/article/lord-of-the-roths-how-tec... * https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trove-of-never-before-seen-records-reveal-how-the-wealthiest-avoid-income-tax https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trov...
  - xboxnolifes 5y ago
    No, neither of those have anything meaningful to do with understanding marginal tax rates.
- aeturnum 5y ago
  It's whistleblowing, in this instance, because Frances Haugen released a bunch of internal documents showing what everyone has been saying. Generally the term is applied to someone who releases information from inside a company or organization showing that their public statements have been deceptive or are out of sync with the internal point of view.
- _hlgc 5y ago
  In this case it's a specific term related to SEC whistleblowing protections. The context is not about whistleblowing for some semblance of public protection, but whistleblowing for protection of investors who may have been misled.
ladyattis 5y ago
>How it all works is very unknown to the average parent. No one complains about not knowing how proximity sensors work in their car. They're just happy that they work and there is in theory someone who keeps the manufacturers responsible. And I think that's the real issue here. Software for years has been treated outside of some very small instances as a value added affair and thus not worthy of investigation or oversight beyond those who fund such development. So all software companies outside of specific situations have been allowed to do what they will so long as it works well enough. Now it seems the situation has gotten more complicated because of the impact of software on non-software conditions/situations. But giving it over to Congress who currently is dominated by the Silent Generation and Boomers who aren't largely as tech savvy or educated to write legislation that will likely benefit Facebook and destroy the Internet as we know it (probably returning to a version of AOL and the like) is in my opinion the worse possible option. I'm not for laissez faire policies but I'm certainly skeptical of Congress not intentionally making claims that their laws will protect privacy all the while they open the Facebook surveillance machine to law enforcement to spy on me and my own in violation of the 4th amendment. And knowing how this SCOTUS who's been virulently anti-privacy especially among the conservative justices then this will be much worse.
roody15 5y ago
“ Pretty entitled to believe you’re the only perspective worth listening to.” Odd statement. I just stated my opinion on the matter. I encourage others getting lots of perspectives and making up their own minds.

InsomniacL 5y ago

I found your post hard to follow overall. For example, who does this apply to and why? > Pretty entitled to believe you’re the only perspective worth listening to.

arbitrage 5y ago
I mean it's fairly well laid out of a topic. Which part specifically are you having trouble with?
- InsomniacL 5y ago
  are you a bot? I gave a specific example in the post you're replying to.
  - arbitrage 5y ago
    i don't think i'm a bot. what makes you say that?

jtdev 5y ago

Your perspective disregards the likelihood that this whistleblowers input will be used to censor political speech rather than actually protect children and teens online.

xboxnolifes 5y ago

> It’s not “unknown” to technologists. I think the odd bit is that if this information isn't unknown to anyone in technology, even those not working on similar systems, then how is this "whistleblowing". It's like calling informing people about marginal tax rates "whistleblowing" because so many people don't understand how they work.

anon9001 5y ago
> It's like calling informing people about marginal tax rates "whistleblowing" because so many people don't understand how they work. You mean like these? * https://www.propublica.org/article/lord-of-the-roths-how-tech-mogul-peter-thiel-turned-a-retirement-account-for-the-middle-class-into-a-5-billion-dollar-tax-free-piggy-bank https://www.propublica.org/article/lord-of-the-roths-how-tec... * https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trove-of-never-before-seen-records-reveal-how-the-wealthiest-avoid-income-tax https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trov...
- xboxnolifes 5y ago
  No, neither of those have anything meaningful to do with understanding marginal tax rates.
aeturnum 5y ago
It's whistleblowing, in this instance, because Frances Haugen released a bunch of internal documents showing what everyone has been saying. Generally the term is applied to someone who releases information from inside a company or organization showing that their public statements have been deceptive or are out of sync with the internal point of view.
_hlgc 5y ago
In this case it's a specific term related to SEC whistleblowing protections. The context is not about whistleblowing for some semblance of public protection, but whistleblowing for protection of investors who may have been misled.

ladyattis 5y ago

>How it all works is very unknown to the average parent. No one complains about not knowing how proximity sensors work in their car. They're just happy that they work and there is in theory someone who keeps the manufacturers responsible. And I think that's the real issue here. Software for years has been treated outside of some very small instances as a value added affair and thus not worthy of investigation or oversight beyond those who fund such development. So all software companies outside of specific situations have been allowed to do what they will so long as it works well enough. Now it seems the situation has gotten more complicated because of the impact of software on non-software conditions/situations. But giving it over to Congress who currently is dominated by the Silent Generation and Boomers who aren't largely as tech savvy or educated to write legislation that will likely benefit Facebook and destroy the Internet as we know it (probably returning to a version of AOL and the like) is in my opinion the worse possible option. I'm not for laissez faire policies but I'm certainly skeptical of Congress not intentionally making claims that their laws will protect privacy all the while they open the Facebook surveillance machine to law enforcement to spy on me and my own in violation of the 4th amendment. And knowing how this SCOTUS who's been virulently anti-privacy especially among the conservative justices then this will be much worse.

roody15 5y ago

“ Pretty entitled to believe you’re the only perspective worth listening to.” Odd statement. I just stated my opinion on the matter. I encourage others getting lots of perspectives and making up their own minds.