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What's the solution tho?

wayoutthere 5y ago
I’m starting to think that a Balkanized Internet isn’t necessarily the worst thing. Different countries have different standards of censorship and right now we have the worst of both worlds where actual meaningful speech is still suppressed while empowering people who just like to stir the pot (err, “drive engagement”).
mc32 5y ago
Turn off the algos and do chronology with proximity (geographic and social graph) instead of oh, we see you clicked on an article about Bernie Sanders, have a look at this article about taxing rich people 95%!! Or you read about hotdogs, here’s an article about additives in foods and their impact on mental health!!
- dylan604 5y ago
  Sometimes algo browsing can be interesting, so maybe a "I'm feeling lucky" type of option with a "Would you like to know more?" button
incahoots 5y ago
Dismantle social media entirely. Last few years have proven that we cannot function as a forward thinking society when memes are believed over proper sourced science. Warning labels are proof enough that folks cannot be left to their own devices.
- ueueshitashita 5y ago
  > "Believe" "The Science" Last few years have proven that most people have a fundamental misunderstanding of basic concepts.
- stickfigure 5y ago
  > Dismantle social media entirely. You mean, stop allowing people to communicate with each other?
  - incahoots 5y ago
    Solid reply by taking what I said to the extreme. Phone, text, email, etc aren't social media...but you knew that already.
    - whimsicalism 5y ago
      Is Whatsapp social media?
      - incahoots 5y ago
        I believe it falls under that umbrella.
        whimsicalism 5y ago
        So how is that distinct from text?
        incahoots 5y ago
        So for your question I would suggest reviewing this: https://techgeekbase.com/is-whatsapp-social-media-platform/ https://techgeekbase.com/is-whatsapp-social-media-platform/ Texting short of knowing one's phone number has no "identity", is primary used as a communication tool whereas WhatsApp can be considered a "broadcast" tool and relies heavily on it's identity. Short of logs of the conversation for a very brief time, carriers aren't mining text data for advertising purposes or really at all. Overall this is splitting hairs. If I send you a text message you're not going to suddenly be bombarded with relative ads, posts, etc to the subject we just discussed. I personally haven't used WhatsApp but after a brief google search it appears like an iMessage clone with the data going through Facebook's fingers with data being collected for whatever purpose they see fit.
ratww 5y ago
I mean, just respecting users who don't want to use algorithms would be a start. Does the chronological option still exist in Facebook? It was broken-on-purpose for YEARS, you'd set it and then it would get reverted in the next visit.
- prostoalex 5y ago
  You have to bookmark it, it's not available any place in UI facebook.com/?sk=h_chr

I’m starting to think that a Balkanized Internet isn’t necessarily the worst thing. Different countries have different standards of censorship and right now we have the worst of both worlds where actual meaningful speech is still suppressed while empowering people who just like to stir the pot (err, “drive engagement”).

mc32 5y ago

Turn off the algos and do chronology with proximity (geographic and social graph) instead of oh, we see you clicked on an article about Bernie Sanders, have a look at this article about taxing rich people 95%!! Or you read about hotdogs, here’s an article about additives in foods and their impact on mental health!!

dylan604 5y ago
Sometimes algo browsing can be interesting, so maybe a "I'm feeling lucky" type of option with a "Would you like to know more?" button

incahoots 5y ago

Dismantle social media entirely. Last few years have proven that we cannot function as a forward thinking society when memes are believed over proper sourced science. Warning labels are proof enough that folks cannot be left to their own devices.

ueueshitashita 5y ago
> "Believe" "The Science" Last few years have proven that most people have a fundamental misunderstanding of basic concepts.
stickfigure 5y ago
> Dismantle social media entirely. You mean, stop allowing people to communicate with each other?
- incahoots 5y ago
  Solid reply by taking what I said to the extreme. Phone, text, email, etc aren't social media...but you knew that already.
  - whimsicalism 5y ago
    Is Whatsapp social media?
    - incahoots 5y ago
      I believe it falls under that umbrella.
      - whimsicalism 5y ago
        So how is that distinct from text?
        incahoots 5y ago
        So for your question I would suggest reviewing this: https://techgeekbase.com/is-whatsapp-social-media-platform/ https://techgeekbase.com/is-whatsapp-social-media-platform/ Texting short of knowing one's phone number has no "identity", is primary used as a communication tool whereas WhatsApp can be considered a "broadcast" tool and relies heavily on it's identity. Short of logs of the conversation for a very brief time, carriers aren't mining text data for advertising purposes or really at all. Overall this is splitting hairs. If I send you a text message you're not going to suddenly be bombarded with relative ads, posts, etc to the subject we just discussed. I personally haven't used WhatsApp but after a brief google search it appears like an iMessage clone with the data going through Facebook's fingers with data being collected for whatever purpose they see fit.

ratww 5y ago

I mean, just respecting users who don't want to use algorithms would be a start. Does the chronological option still exist in Facebook? It was broken-on-purpose for YEARS, you'd set it and then it would get reverted in the next visit.

prostoalex 5y ago
You have to bookmark it, it's not available any place in UI facebook.com/?sk=h_chr