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Mozilla doesn't seem to be interested in this, but I wonder if there are any individual firefox developers with a patreon?

by gpm 5y ago

cptskippy 5y ago
> Mozilla doesn't seem to be interested in this As someone who works on the digital payments/processing side of the house for a charity, I can tell you that accepting designations is a can of worms that smaller charities would certainly want to avoid.
- dtech 5y ago
  Their nonprofit is already accepting donations and they are already selling services. I can't be that hard to "sell" a cosmetic Firefox Premium upgrade, although it might not be used enough to be worth it.
  - maccard 5y ago
    Why would you think that funds from firefox premium would only go to development for firefox? Do you think money you spend on Azure is ringfenced for Azure development and isn't ever spent on Microsoft Gaming (for example).
    - cptskippy 5y ago
      Many charities will accept donations with restrictions (e.g. Only for program X, Only for Research, etc).
      - pessimizer 5y ago
        But they're not really enforceable because cash is fungible.
        mulmen 5y ago
        Just being able to state my intention prevents Mitchell Baker from putting words in my mouth.
        cptskippy 5y ago
        There are several legal precedents that say otherwise. Regardless, when you give money to a charity with a restriction or designation and they accept the money but ignore your request that generally doesn't go over well.
        Gigachad 5y ago
        Sounds like they could use your money on Firefox but then allocate less of their own money to it so the result is the same.
- blibble 5y ago
  it had $438 million in revenue in 2018 it's not a small charity
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
  The entity working on the browser isn't a charity
  - hda2 5y ago
    Perhaps it should be.
    - account42 5y ago
      I am waiting for the day it will be (either for Firefox or a replacement). Mozilla Inc. has shown again and again theat they do not have their user's interests in mind.
detritus 5y ago
I coulda sworn they themselves said they were going to introduce a means of paying a contribution 'sometime next year', sometime last year.
soperj 5y ago
Could almost just get a patreon together, and then fund a developer from it? Because I think if you put out a job posting, working on firefox independent from Mozilla someone would take you up on it.
- paulryanrogers 5y ago
  There are several Firefox forks supported by donations. LibreWolf and Pale Moon being just two examples. Inertia and network effects won't change quickly though
  - spansoa 5y ago
    LibreWolf is awesome. Just make sure to check for updates to it since the updater mechanism is disabled as per the Policies.json file for it
  - dblohm7 5y ago
    You couldn't pay me to use Pale Moon. They have continuously demonstrated a poor understanding of web browser security. Take this thread, for example: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=15168#p109681 https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=15168#p109681
  - soperj 5y ago
    I meant not a fork, but just a developer. I would love to work on Firefox full time without actually working for Mozilla. I'm sure you could find much more qualified candidates than me who would also do so.

Mozilla doesn't seem to be interested in this, but I wonder if there are any individual firefox developers with a patreon?

by gpm 5y ago

Mozilla doesn't seem to be interested in this, but I wonder if there are any individual firefox developers with a patreon?

cptskippy 5y ago

> Mozilla doesn't seem to be interested in this As someone who works on the digital payments/processing side of the house for a charity, I can tell you that accepting designations is a can of worms that smaller charities would certainly want to avoid.

dtech 5y ago
Their nonprofit is already accepting donations and they are already selling services. I can't be that hard to "sell" a cosmetic Firefox Premium upgrade, although it might not be used enough to be worth it.
- maccard 5y ago
  Why would you think that funds from firefox premium would only go to development for firefox? Do you think money you spend on Azure is ringfenced for Azure development and isn't ever spent on Microsoft Gaming (for example).
  - cptskippy 5y ago
    Many charities will accept donations with restrictions (e.g. Only for program X, Only for Research, etc).
    - pessimizer 5y ago
      But they're not really enforceable because cash is fungible.
      - mulmen 5y ago
        Just being able to state my intention prevents Mitchell Baker from putting words in my mouth.
      - cptskippy 5y ago
        There are several legal precedents that say otherwise. Regardless, when you give money to a charity with a restriction or designation and they accept the money but ignore your request that generally doesn't go over well.
        Gigachad 5y ago
        Sounds like they could use your money on Firefox but then allocate less of their own money to it so the result is the same.
blibble 5y ago
it had $438 million in revenue in 2018 it's not a small charity
yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
The entity working on the browser isn't a charity
- hda2 5y ago
  Perhaps it should be.
  - account42 5y ago
    I am waiting for the day it will be (either for Firefox or a replacement). Mozilla Inc. has shown again and again theat they do not have their user's interests in mind.

detritus 5y ago

I coulda sworn they themselves said they were going to introduce a means of paying a contribution 'sometime next year', sometime last year.

soperj 5y ago

Could almost just get a patreon together, and then fund a developer from it? Because I think if you put out a job posting, working on firefox independent from Mozilla someone would take you up on it.

paulryanrogers 5y ago
There are several Firefox forks supported by donations. LibreWolf and Pale Moon being just two examples. Inertia and network effects won't change quickly though
- spansoa 5y ago
  LibreWolf is awesome. Just make sure to check for updates to it since the updater mechanism is disabled as per the Policies.json file for it
- dblohm7 5y ago
  You couldn't pay me to use Pale Moon. They have continuously demonstrated a poor understanding of web browser security. Take this thread, for example: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=15168#p109681 https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=15168#p109681
- soperj 5y ago
  I meant not a fork, but just a developer. I would love to work on Firefox full time without actually working for Mozilla. I'm sure you could find much more qualified candidates than me who would also do so.