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> Sounds like the BMJ dont trust this chap and are questioning his financial interests. The article you mentioned only refers to stock portfolio and potential

by nuerow 5y ago

> Sounds like the BMJ dont trust this chap and are questioning his financial interests. The article you mentioned only refers to stock portfolio and potential conflicts of interest regarding policy decisions on performing antibody tests. The statement that was quoted in this discussion is about an entirely unrelated subject: the prevalence of long Covid. The initial claim is that the statement is supported by data from the Office for National Statistics. If you want to question John Bell's claim regarding the prevalence of long Covid, just check if his statement is corroborated by the data. Either it's supported or not.

celticninja 5y ago
I question his impartiality on making statements such as this. I wonder about what he gains from making statements like this? If he was open about questions put to him in the past then I would be less suspect, but given he has hidden his financial interests related to his work then I suspect he has some hidden motivation here too.
- nuerow 5y ago
  > I question his impartiality on making statements such as this. There is a very good way to verify the claims: check the data. Dragging in questions regarding antibody test policies, stock portfolios, and potential conflicts of interest just sound like cheap character assassination attempts that have absolutely no relation with the prevalence of long Covid.
  - celticninja 5y ago
    He doesn't present the data, he asks us to take his word for it, or the article does at least. Therefore to decide whether I can accept his word I need to know about him and his character. From initial research into him there are some queries about his behaviour, raised by an organisation that I do trust, therefore I do not accept his claim without question. Don't accept things blindly because you agree with them (or the converse), "be a good judge of who is a good judge".
    - nuerow 5y ago
      > He doesn't present the data (...) If that's what you're going with then you only need to verify the data to either refute or verify his claim. Everything else is just noise at this point.
      - celticninja 5y ago
        How do I verify it when I don't have it and he doesn't provide it?
        nuerow 5y ago
        > How do I verify it when I don't have it and he doesn't provide it? You didn't even bothered to look, did you? https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/prevalenceofongoingsymptomsfollowingcoronaviruscovid19infectionintheuk/1april2021 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthan...

by nuerow 5y ago

celticninja 5y ago

I question his impartiality on making statements such as this. I wonder about what he gains from making statements like this? If he was open about questions put to him in the past then I would be less suspect, but given he has hidden his financial interests related to his work then I suspect he has some hidden motivation here too.

nuerow 5y ago
> I question his impartiality on making statements such as this. There is a very good way to verify the claims: check the data. Dragging in questions regarding antibody test policies, stock portfolios, and potential conflicts of interest just sound like cheap character assassination attempts that have absolutely no relation with the prevalence of long Covid.
- celticninja 5y ago
  He doesn't present the data, he asks us to take his word for it, or the article does at least. Therefore to decide whether I can accept his word I need to know about him and his character. From initial research into him there are some queries about his behaviour, raised by an organisation that I do trust, therefore I do not accept his claim without question. Don't accept things blindly because you agree with them (or the converse), "be a good judge of who is a good judge".
  - nuerow 5y ago
    > He doesn't present the data (...) If that's what you're going with then you only need to verify the data to either refute or verify his claim. Everything else is just noise at this point.
    - celticninja 5y ago
      How do I verify it when I don't have it and he doesn't provide it?
      - nuerow 5y ago
        > How do I verify it when I don't have it and he doesn't provide it? You didn't even bothered to look, did you? https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/prevalenceofongoingsymptomsfollowingcoronaviruscovid19infectionintheuk/1april2021 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthan...