Sorry for the late reply. I pointed out that humans are animals to say that the reason we find pleasure in food has nothing to do with morality, and has everyth

Sorry for the late reply. I pointed out that humans are animals to say that the reason we find pleasure in food has nothing to do with morality, and has everything to do with having animal bodies. For the same reason, I think you are wrong to make this about morality. Every system of thought that has ever made pleasure a moral issue has caused way more damage than good. You bring up religious fasting. Think of the harm that Christianity has caused by making sexual pleasure into a sin. You can't take away peoples' ability to feel pleasure without causing them harm. A life without pleasure is a life not worth living. Even a life in pain is better than a life without pleasure. You say that overweight people eat more meat. I don't know how true this is but maybe you should try to find out? You blame fat people and call them immoral because they eat too much, but I think that's not very different than saying that gay men are immoral because they have "too much" sex. I think it's also "blaming the victim". In my experience, overweight people are very different than what you say: they eat too much because they don't really enjoy food. This is because the food they have available is very low quality food that is not capable of nourishing them, or really sastisfying them. They are certainly addicted, like you say, to substances like sugar, fat and starch, and salt, that make them want more all the time, but they are addicted this way because they don't have access to good quality, nutritious food. And I bet that your experience comes from a place like the United States or western Europe, places that don't have what's known as a "food culture" and where quantity is much easier to find than quality. I wonder also whether that's the reason you, yourself, say that you can't enjoy food in the same way that you see fat people enjoying it. Maybe it's because they're not really enjoying it, after all? Maybe you need to look for a way to eat well, and satisfy your appetite, rather than your morality? Btw, it's not just fat people who are subject to all this. Thin people also eat in the same way. Thin people can also overeat. I don't know if you've ever watched adolescent boys eating? There's no way an adult, of either sex, could eat that much and not baloon up to morbid obesity. But young boys have a voracious metabolism that keeps them thin. Until they're middle aged, that is, when their eating habbits catch up with them and they start turning fat. Older people, men and women, also overeat, way, way too much. Everyone is constantly craving more sugar, more salt, more fat, more of everything. And they can never have enough because those things are not what they really want. What they really want is taste, flavour, nutriton, good food, but they don't get that, they get fast food, pizza, pasta, burgers and fries. And these are empty, pointless things that only fill the belly, but not the heart. So I think you're making a mistake also of making this about fat people vs. thin people, as you're making a mistake of making it about moral vs. immoral people. The problem, for me, is the industrialisation of food production. I think you can probably agree that it's a problem, even if you don't agree that it is the problem. But for me, all the harm that comes from the way we produce food and eat it, comes from the simple fact that we have decentralised food production and preparation, that most people on the Earth today can't recognise good food if it bites them in the foot, and have no idea how to choose what they should eat over what they shouldn't eat. They've been made dependent to the food industry and everybody and everything suffers because of this dependence: people themselves, animals, the environment, everything and everybody. But, you won't fix that by calling people immoral and saying they should do things to take even more pleasure away from their poor, unsatisfied lives.