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My point is: your wife doesn't feel responsible for your personal safety. Here's the difference between a domesticated person who expects someone else to protec
by WriterGuy2021 5y ago
My point is: your wife doesn't feel responsible for your personal safety. Here's the difference between a domesticated person who expects someone else to protect them, i.e., do their violence for them, and someone that feels responsible for their own safety.
Domesticated: works for a major corporation in a big city. Has no guns, no means of personally protecting himself, lives in close proximity to strangers, and if the food stores went down, he would starve to death within a few weeks.
Undomesticated: made very anxious by every conspiracy theory because he knows the world is dangerous and no one is ultimately his buddy, lives in a bunker in some undisclosed location, has at least a year of food rations, has more guns and ammunition than a small Latin American nation, makes a plan to kill everyone he meets.
The domesticated believe the undomesticated to be insane because they don't think about their own safety and violence as the undomesticated do. How many people look at the doomsday bunker crowd as a bunch of lunatics? They aren't lunatics: they have no trust in the system and they have taken it upon themselves to secure their safety to the best of their ability.
The fact that you blithely say "we live in an odd 1984 dystopia" tells me, no offense, that you aren't aware of what that means. Perhaps intellectually you do, but because you aren't used to protecting yourself, such a statement doesn't rain down anxiety and paranoia upon your emotional register. This is the strange thing about the domesticated condition: it's a type of blindness.
I'd compare the blindness of the domesticated to the difference between an old person at a funeral versus a child at a funeral. What is death to youth? What can youth possibly know of death? On the contrary, what is death to age? Death is profound and moving to those who have enough experience to know what it is, but it is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- to those that have not developed the depth of experience that allows one to register the significance of the grim reminder of our own mortality. The same thing goes for violence and its fruits and our ability to intimately know them.
In any case, good luck out there Winston #room101.
- amcoastal 5y agoDomesticated and undomesticated both sound terrible, does your paranoia not allow for an in between state?
- WriterGuy2021 5y agoThere's probably a "domestication gradient" or something like that. I can sense it when I talk to people. Some people are like little children. They haven't thought about their own safety ever. Others are literal wild men who believe every conspiracy theory out there because they are practically traumatized and are always seeking out potential threats. And yes, there are people in between that worry about their own safety, but also have enough faith in the system to function properly. I must admit... I have fallen in love with my own term because it really does seem to describe some of the human diversity I've encountered.
- Subsentient 5y agoYou're an interesting man, if a bit grandiose. I'm currently stoned, so I'll ask a weird question. What about us doomsayers who know in their hearts that it'll all fall apart in the end, but are cognizant that they themselves don't care enough about their safety to do anything differently?
- A4ET8a8uTh0 5y agoIn a sense, I am just putting words together. Would you accept a variation of 1984 dystopia? I don't think I am wrong here, but I am willing to go over differences.
- WriterGuy2021 5y agoDoes it alarm you? That's what I really want to know.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 5y agoNo. I don't believe in neat model of the universe where you can assign vague tag, label, whatever you want to call it and apply it to every facet of reality. Its not sensible. Worse, it is not how the world works. You won't even get appropriate approximation of reality that way. If it was a simple 1 and 0, we would have better simulations by now. So.. no. It does not alarm me. It helps that I don't fit your model very well. But your thought process does interest me.
- WriterGuy2021 5y agoNow just imagine saying all these things as a mad man stands before you with a knife. Suddenly the world becomes more real than it ever has been and all these abstract things you say to your friends in cyberspace become utter nonsense as they offer you no assistance in navigating the mortal danger you find yourself in. The mad mad has you by the throat, you feel his cold steel press up against your virgin neck. Your last words: "I don't believe in neat model of the universe where you can assign vague tag, label, whatever you want to call it and apply it to every facet of reality." My ultimate point in this exchange with you is that violence has a real sobering effect on the mind. It's a great filter of sense and nonsense.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 5y agoIt is both good and bad that we don't seem to have more data on near death experiences. I mean actual research on mental impact and so on. I see some articles but the ones I found are relatively old. Anecdotally, I had 3 NDEs and as the adage goes in the immortal words of Dr.House nearly dying changes everything for about three weeks. And it sounds about right in retrospect. I returned to normality fast. It sobered me enough to survive, but not enough to redefine my whole world around me in terms of domestication. I don't want to assume, but I think you are extrapolating to a society from a single encounter. It would seem you over-corrected. Just to further complicate this discussion, as an atheist, I do not yelp 'sweet entropy'. But it goes back to my original point. Things are complicated and you are making them more complicated by pretending they are simple:P
- tomcam 5y ago> makes a plan to kill everyone he meets. Clarification needed
- Syonyk 5y agoI assume it's a reference to a James Mattis quote. > Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet. It refers to a general concept of alertness and awareness about your surroundings, and how you can't tell who might be good or evil until they act, so just assume everyone could be malicious until proven otherwise (or, more practically, until you're out of their sphere of influence).
- tomcam 5y agoAh, thanks