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> The only problem is there's no evidence of this at all. The entire claim is hypothetical. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Huawei#Espionage_and_sec

> The only problem is there's no evidence of this at all. The entire claim is hypothetical. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Huawei#Espionage_and_security_concerns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Huawei#Espionage_... Ignoring evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it means you look silly in public arguing black is white, up is down, etc. > I just regard the proven, illegal mass surveillance of Americans You so effortless change subjects I wonder if you even realize you're doing it. The topic at hand is foreign espionage. And even comparing the dystopian nightmare that is Chinese warrantless spying on their own citizens to any other country is the height of absurdity: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/08/business/china-surveillance-technology.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/08/business/china-surveillan... And you still haven't answered my question.

DiogenesKynikos 5y ago
The Wikipedia section you linked is a collection of evidence-free "concerns." I think most people at HN are aware of the basic situation with Huawei: there are hypothetical "concerns" but no evidence of Huawei ever having engaged in espionage. You can say that it's black and white that Huawei is a tool of Chinese espionage, but you're just speaking from your priors, not from the evidence. > the dystopian nightmare that is Chinese warrantless spying on their own citizens Now who's changing the subject? If you're in China, yes, the government has enormous power to surveil you. If you're outside of China, there's no evidence that the Chinese government is using Huawei to spy on you. Given the level of interest in Huawei, I think we'd have heard by now if there were concrete evidence. Instead, all we get are endless hypotheticals. If you're in the US, it's simply a fact that you're much more likely to be surveiled by the US government than by the Chinese government.
- fortuna86 5y ago
  > If you're outside of China, there's no evidence that the Chinese government is using Huawei to spy on you. The level of naïveté you need to believe an authoritarian government building a dystopian surveillance state at home (including targeting and funneling undesirable ethnicities to prison camps) wouldn't extend that collection to foreign countries via a de facto state controlled company...well I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Great price, get in touch. But of course you know better. You aren't a liar, you are cynical. You say things you know aren't true, in the service of protecting your greater worldview. The other word for that is "troll" - which means I won't waste my time here any longer.

DiogenesKynikos 5y ago

The Wikipedia section you linked is a collection of evidence-free "concerns." I think most people at HN are aware of the basic situation with Huawei: there are hypothetical "concerns" but no evidence of Huawei ever having engaged in espionage. You can say that it's black and white that Huawei is a tool of Chinese espionage, but you're just speaking from your priors, not from the evidence. > the dystopian nightmare that is Chinese warrantless spying on their own citizens Now who's changing the subject? If you're in China, yes, the government has enormous power to surveil you. If you're outside of China, there's no evidence that the Chinese government is using Huawei to spy on you. Given the level of interest in Huawei, I think we'd have heard by now if there were concrete evidence. Instead, all we get are endless hypotheticals. If you're in the US, it's simply a fact that you're much more likely to be surveiled by the US government than by the Chinese government.

fortuna86 5y ago
> If you're outside of China, there's no evidence that the Chinese government is using Huawei to spy on you. The level of naïveté you need to believe an authoritarian government building a dystopian surveillance state at home (including targeting and funneling undesirable ethnicities to prison camps) wouldn't extend that collection to foreign countries via a de facto state controlled company...well I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Great price, get in touch. But of course you know better. You aren't a liar, you are cynical. You say things you know aren't true, in the service of protecting your greater worldview. The other word for that is "troll" - which means I won't waste my time here any longer.