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Well, I am going to fixate on the selfies because there were a bunch of dimwits taking selfies. “Armed” folks armed with what? Yeah, I’m pretty sure the most

Well, I am going to fixate on the selfies because there were a bunch of dimwits taking selfies. “Armed” folks armed with what? Yeah, I’m pretty sure the most powerful nation ever to occupy the earth wasn’t going to fall to a bunch of pitchfork wielding social media posting hayseeds demanding to have Frankenstein’s monster handed over to them.

ethanbond 5y ago
Just pipe bombs, loaded hand guns with high capacity magazines, boxes of Molotov cocktails, bear spray, tasers, zip ties. Note that most crimes are still crimes even if you suck at committing them. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/04/fact-check-fbi-says-bureau-didnt-recover-guns-capitol-riot/4578286001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/04/fac...
- kcplate 5y ago
  Hundreds of dipshits taking goofy selfies and you post a fact check that talks about 3 people charged with weapons outside the capital grounds and a single person on the capital grounds that had a holstered weapon. Also someone using a flag pole to gain entry. Let’s agree that at least a thousand people breached the capitol. So at least 99.96% of the crowed were angry pitchfork waving villagers and .04% were some dorky Van Helsing wannabes. In what world does that constitute a threat to topple to most powerful country ever to exist on this earth? It’s not.
  - ethanbond 5y ago
    A world that’s governed by complex legal codes, procedures, and norms with a variety of loopholes and undefined states. One that’s not safeguarded by rah rah “we are most powerful country ever” therefore our bureaucracy is immune to bureaucratic failure! We simply don’t really know what would’ve happened if e.g. the ballots were destroyed. They would’ve had to get duplicate ballots from the states. Would all the state election boards have stuck with their previous results now seeing an apparent opportunity to install their leader and feeling galvanized by the “fraud” of vote-by-mail? It’s interesting how many people will complain about clear bureaucratic failure in basic day-to-day tasks like the DMV, and then imagine that the most complex bureaucracy in history is held together by patriot power and not, you know, bureaucracy, with all of its strengths and vulnerabilities.
    - kcplate 5y ago
      The point is that this event is characterized as an insurrection and a threat to the the United States. It wasn’t. If you want to shift the conversation to election integrity, that’s fine…but that was actually the whole point of the demonstrations. You have one group that felt that they had legitimate concerns about the election’s integrity. The other side downplayed those concerns, does not want to improve election integrity, and actually wants to erode it further. I am pretty sure that if you want the bulk of America to feel that elections have integrity you should make it a priority and not downplay concerns just because your candidate won and I apply that standard to both parties since both are guilty over the last few election cycles.
      - ethanbond 5y ago
        To clarify, when I refer to ballots being destroyed I’m referring to electoral college ballots being destroyed by rioters during the Jan 6 insurrection. It wasn’t a coincidence that they were called to DC on that particular day when a normally extremely boring and mundane procedure is carried out. It has no symbolic value, it has no cultural value, it has no value except ensuring the legal, procedural basis for transition of power. That’s why it was attacked. Yes, if that succeeded, it would’ve harmed the US. In any case, your suggestion that the democrats “actually want to erode [election integrity] further” reveals a lot.
        kcplate 5y ago
        Does it? What exactly do you think it reveals? I’m not a Republican, and haven’t voted for a Republican for any office for decades. So what does that tell you? It might reveal that I am not happy with the political party that once upon a time were liberal and good but are now just filled with power hungry intolerant authoritarians. At least the republicans don’t pretend that they are good people.

ethanbond 5y ago

Just pipe bombs, loaded hand guns with high capacity magazines, boxes of Molotov cocktails, bear spray, tasers, zip ties. Note that most crimes are still crimes even if you suck at committing them. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/04/fact-check-fbi-says-bureau-didnt-recover-guns-capitol-riot/4578286001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/04/fac...

kcplate 5y ago
Hundreds of dipshits taking goofy selfies and you post a fact check that talks about 3 people charged with weapons outside the capital grounds and a single person on the capital grounds that had a holstered weapon. Also someone using a flag pole to gain entry. Let’s agree that at least a thousand people breached the capitol. So at least 99.96% of the crowed were angry pitchfork waving villagers and .04% were some dorky Van Helsing wannabes. In what world does that constitute a threat to topple to most powerful country ever to exist on this earth? It’s not.
- ethanbond 5y ago
  A world that’s governed by complex legal codes, procedures, and norms with a variety of loopholes and undefined states. One that’s not safeguarded by rah rah “we are most powerful country ever” therefore our bureaucracy is immune to bureaucratic failure! We simply don’t really know what would’ve happened if e.g. the ballots were destroyed. They would’ve had to get duplicate ballots from the states. Would all the state election boards have stuck with their previous results now seeing an apparent opportunity to install their leader and feeling galvanized by the “fraud” of vote-by-mail? It’s interesting how many people will complain about clear bureaucratic failure in basic day-to-day tasks like the DMV, and then imagine that the most complex bureaucracy in history is held together by patriot power and not, you know, bureaucracy, with all of its strengths and vulnerabilities.
  - kcplate 5y ago
    The point is that this event is characterized as an insurrection and a threat to the the United States. It wasn’t. If you want to shift the conversation to election integrity, that’s fine…but that was actually the whole point of the demonstrations. You have one group that felt that they had legitimate concerns about the election’s integrity. The other side downplayed those concerns, does not want to improve election integrity, and actually wants to erode it further. I am pretty sure that if you want the bulk of America to feel that elections have integrity you should make it a priority and not downplay concerns just because your candidate won and I apply that standard to both parties since both are guilty over the last few election cycles.
    - ethanbond 5y ago
      To clarify, when I refer to ballots being destroyed I’m referring to electoral college ballots being destroyed by rioters during the Jan 6 insurrection. It wasn’t a coincidence that they were called to DC on that particular day when a normally extremely boring and mundane procedure is carried out. It has no symbolic value, it has no cultural value, it has no value except ensuring the legal, procedural basis for transition of power. That’s why it was attacked. Yes, if that succeeded, it would’ve harmed the US. In any case, your suggestion that the democrats “actually want to erode [election integrity] further” reveals a lot.
      - kcplate 5y ago
        Does it? What exactly do you think it reveals? I’m not a Republican, and haven’t voted for a Republican for any office for decades. So what does that tell you? It might reveal that I am not happy with the political party that once upon a time were liberal and good but are now just filled with power hungry intolerant authoritarians. At least the republicans don’t pretend that they are good people.