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Very poor comparison that misrepresents their motives. None of these people opposes vaccines. They either don't accept THIS vaccine, esp. how politicized it ha

Very poor comparison that misrepresents their motives. None of these people opposes vaccines. They either don't accept THIS vaccine, esp. how politicized it has become, and they don't accept being force do take it.

orf 5y ago
Who politicised it and why? And when you say THIS vaccine, which one?
- iammisc 5y ago
  Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, who unequivocally stated, they would not take a vaccine under Donald Trump. As well as a handful of west coast states who decided the previous administration's FDA was not satisfactory to grant permission to use the drug and enacted their own state bureaucracies. Don't even try to gaslight this one. This was the first vaccine skepticism. Things don't change just because your party is in charge. After 2020, I can't take the gaslighting anymore. Stop it. EDIT; downvoted for pointing out the first national politicians to call into question the vaccine's efficacy before their flip flop. Keep rewriting history guys. Did you learn that working for Jeff Bezos? EDIT: Oh looky... now I'm flagged!
  - literallyaduck 5y ago
    Got any links from reputable sources for those claims?
    - iammisc 5y ago
      https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/kamala-harris-says-she-wouldnt-trust-a-vaccine-trump-recommended/ar-BB19O9k4 https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/kamala-harris-s... https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/07/18/im-not-taking-it-joe-biden-kamala-harris-led-covid-vaccine-skepticism-parade-before-election-1105376/ https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/07/18/im-not-taking-it-joe... (listen to the video) https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oregon-to-join-california-forindependent-review-any-covid-19-vaccine-approved-by-fda/ar-BB1arIZI https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oregon-to-join-california-... I'm not making this up. This is mainstream news or primary sources. EDIT: Donald Trump has been quite clear about the utility of the vaccine and proud of its development and availability under his administration. If you haven't seen these before, and didn't know this until now, despite this having been one year ago, ask yourself why? Is it because you were fed a particular narrative?
      - orf 5y ago
        Which link says they would not take the vaccine “under trump”? The first one where they say they will take any vaccine recommended by health experts, and not one recommended by a reality TV host known for recommending bleach and hydroxychloroquine as remedies? Or the second one where they switch together some out-of-context clips to make it seem like they are saying something that they are are not? Or maybe it’s the third one that contains nothing of substance other than mentioning a working group that after the article was published fully recommended the FDA approved covid vaccines?
        iammisc 5y ago
        > The first one where they say they will take any vaccine recommended by health experts, and not one recommended by a reality TV host known for recommending bleach and hydroxychloroquine as remedies? The 'reality TV host' was also president of the United States. This is like calling Joe Biden a plagiarizer and not mentioning he is the POTUS. Joe Biden recommended jab #3 before the CDC made a declaration. He even likely affected the CDC decision. You're editorializing here.
        orf 5y ago
        Can you respond to my original question in your next reply rather than deflecting? Thanks! I would never think that you wouldn't reply to this because you posted a bunch of half-assed links that anyone with half a brain could see where complete garbage, so I can't wait to read your nuanced defence of them.
        iammisc 5y ago
        You claim I'm deflecting after starting the name calling. Perhaps if you spoke using proper language, you wouldn't get such smarmy responses. Claiming the vax was recommended by a 'reality show host' neglects the fact he was the POTUS. While it would indeed be odd for reality tv hosts to make vaccine recommendations, politicians and leaders do so all the time. Look at what the current president is doing. Isn't that what everyone wanted? You are currently blaming trump for both having pushed the vaccine and for not pushing it enough apparently. As to the links... I don't know what to say. The videos of the exact interviews are all available online in their full content. I remember watching them at the time and finding it shocking the democratic party suddenly became anti-vaccine. I don't understand why I need to find great articles when the full clips are available for your review as well as transcriptions (and are linked or the source explicitly mentioned from the articles I posted). But because it might be difficult for you. Here you go. THis is my last quote. Joe Biden laid into the minds of million americans during his campaign that the approvals of the Trump vaccines were made by political pressure. HE literally said it. Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCpyx2T-lDA&t=863s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCpyx2T-lDA&t=863s No news, no spin. Just the man himself. Here is the full quote: > If and when the vaccine comes, it’s not likely to go through all the tests that need to be done, and the trials that are needed to be done. > > and the question is if he's going to seek emergency move. Literally most criticisms of the vaccine, most hesitant people, are hesitant because the vaccine was rolled out under emergency use, and all vaccines given in this country right now are still under emergency use. The OR/WA/CA task forces fed into this narrative. Harris's statements did so as well. Joe Biden implied that emergency use authorization was not enough. Then when elected president, immediately, everyone had to get the jab while they are still under emergency use authorization. This is just hypocrisy plain and simple. A responsible statement at the time of the campaign would have simply been to say, I will trust whatever expert scientsts say, and while perhaps I don't trust Donald Trump, I trust our FDA scientists. Joe Biden was the first mainstream politician to cast doubt in the minds of millions of Americans. Stop pretending. What more evidence do you want?
munk-a 5y ago
At least when it comes to the US - these vaccines have been strongly embraced by major figures in both political parties. They were mostly developed and rolled out initially under Trump and have been continued under Biden - so both sides of the aisle would really like you to get it. I'm in Canada and my spouse had some concerns about AZ when it was first being rolled out in pharmacies by booked appointments - so I waited until the national rollout of Pfizer & Moderna - if you've got concerns over a specific version of the vaccine there are other options.
nobodyandproud 5y ago
That is the reaction of a child. Not an adult working in a critical service.
- iammisc 5y ago
  Adults realize the danger in unchecked authority. Children do not. That is why they trust their parents without question. It's only as an older teenager you come to realize that your parents are imperfect people, with idiosyncracies, faults, and problems of their own.
  - nobodyandproud 5y ago
    Adults realize what unchecked authority is like, and that this isn’t it. They also realize that a global pandemic has left no country untouched, and even enemies are desperate for vaccination. Finally, adults realize what a privileged position we’re in and that insisting rights are being trampled (whose rights?) doesn’t make it so
    - iammisc 5y ago
      Except the global pandemic has left the vast vast vast majority of the world's population untouched.
      - nobodyandproud 5y ago
        Except it has affected many. https://www.aier.org/article/no-lockdowns-the-terrifying-polio-pandemic-of-1949-52/ https://www.aier.org/article/no-lockdowns-the-terrifying-pol... Context is everything: Polio affected less than 1% of the population. Even a smaller fraction, when counting those paralyzed. Still a scary disease.
        iammisc 5y ago
        Oh really? How many people have been hospitalized or died compared to how many people are alive today?

orf 5y ago

Who politicised it and why? And when you say THIS vaccine, which one?

iammisc 5y ago
Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, who unequivocally stated, they would not take a vaccine under Donald Trump. As well as a handful of west coast states who decided the previous administration's FDA was not satisfactory to grant permission to use the drug and enacted their own state bureaucracies. Don't even try to gaslight this one. This was the first vaccine skepticism. Things don't change just because your party is in charge. After 2020, I can't take the gaslighting anymore. Stop it. EDIT; downvoted for pointing out the first national politicians to call into question the vaccine's efficacy before their flip flop. Keep rewriting history guys. Did you learn that working for Jeff Bezos? EDIT: Oh looky... now I'm flagged!
- literallyaduck 5y ago
  Got any links from reputable sources for those claims?
  - iammisc 5y ago
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/kamala-harris-says-she-wouldnt-trust-a-vaccine-trump-recommended/ar-BB19O9k4 https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/kamala-harris-s... https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/07/18/im-not-taking-it-joe-biden-kamala-harris-led-covid-vaccine-skepticism-parade-before-election-1105376/ https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/07/18/im-not-taking-it-joe... (listen to the video) https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oregon-to-join-california-forindependent-review-any-covid-19-vaccine-approved-by-fda/ar-BB1arIZI https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oregon-to-join-california-... I'm not making this up. This is mainstream news or primary sources. EDIT: Donald Trump has been quite clear about the utility of the vaccine and proud of its development and availability under his administration. If you haven't seen these before, and didn't know this until now, despite this having been one year ago, ask yourself why? Is it because you were fed a particular narrative?
    - orf 5y ago
      Which link says they would not take the vaccine “under trump”? The first one where they say they will take any vaccine recommended by health experts, and not one recommended by a reality TV host known for recommending bleach and hydroxychloroquine as remedies? Or the second one where they switch together some out-of-context clips to make it seem like they are saying something that they are are not? Or maybe it’s the third one that contains nothing of substance other than mentioning a working group that after the article was published fully recommended the FDA approved covid vaccines?
      - iammisc 5y ago
        > The first one where they say they will take any vaccine recommended by health experts, and not one recommended by a reality TV host known for recommending bleach and hydroxychloroquine as remedies? The 'reality TV host' was also president of the United States. This is like calling Joe Biden a plagiarizer and not mentioning he is the POTUS. Joe Biden recommended jab #3 before the CDC made a declaration. He even likely affected the CDC decision. You're editorializing here.
        orf 5y ago
        Can you respond to my original question in your next reply rather than deflecting? Thanks! I would never think that you wouldn't reply to this because you posted a bunch of half-assed links that anyone with half a brain could see where complete garbage, so I can't wait to read your nuanced defence of them.
        iammisc 5y ago
        You claim I'm deflecting after starting the name calling. Perhaps if you spoke using proper language, you wouldn't get such smarmy responses. Claiming the vax was recommended by a 'reality show host' neglects the fact he was the POTUS. While it would indeed be odd for reality tv hosts to make vaccine recommendations, politicians and leaders do so all the time. Look at what the current president is doing. Isn't that what everyone wanted? You are currently blaming trump for both having pushed the vaccine and for not pushing it enough apparently. As to the links... I don't know what to say. The videos of the exact interviews are all available online in their full content. I remember watching them at the time and finding it shocking the democratic party suddenly became anti-vaccine. I don't understand why I need to find great articles when the full clips are available for your review as well as transcriptions (and are linked or the source explicitly mentioned from the articles I posted). But because it might be difficult for you. Here you go. THis is my last quote. Joe Biden laid into the minds of million americans during his campaign that the approvals of the Trump vaccines were made by political pressure. HE literally said it. Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCpyx2T-lDA&t=863s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCpyx2T-lDA&t=863s No news, no spin. Just the man himself. Here is the full quote: > If and when the vaccine comes, it’s not likely to go through all the tests that need to be done, and the trials that are needed to be done. > > and the question is if he's going to seek emergency move. Literally most criticisms of the vaccine, most hesitant people, are hesitant because the vaccine was rolled out under emergency use, and all vaccines given in this country right now are still under emergency use. The OR/WA/CA task forces fed into this narrative. Harris's statements did so as well. Joe Biden implied that emergency use authorization was not enough. Then when elected president, immediately, everyone had to get the jab while they are still under emergency use authorization. This is just hypocrisy plain and simple. A responsible statement at the time of the campaign would have simply been to say, I will trust whatever expert scientsts say, and while perhaps I don't trust Donald Trump, I trust our FDA scientists. Joe Biden was the first mainstream politician to cast doubt in the minds of millions of Americans. Stop pretending. What more evidence do you want?

munk-a 5y ago

At least when it comes to the US - these vaccines have been strongly embraced by major figures in both political parties. They were mostly developed and rolled out initially under Trump and have been continued under Biden - so both sides of the aisle would really like you to get it. I'm in Canada and my spouse had some concerns about AZ when it was first being rolled out in pharmacies by booked appointments - so I waited until the national rollout of Pfizer & Moderna - if you've got concerns over a specific version of the vaccine there are other options.

nobodyandproud 5y ago

That is the reaction of a child. Not an adult working in a critical service.

iammisc 5y ago
Adults realize the danger in unchecked authority. Children do not. That is why they trust their parents without question. It's only as an older teenager you come to realize that your parents are imperfect people, with idiosyncracies, faults, and problems of their own.
- nobodyandproud 5y ago
  Adults realize what unchecked authority is like, and that this isn’t it. They also realize that a global pandemic has left no country untouched, and even enemies are desperate for vaccination. Finally, adults realize what a privileged position we’re in and that insisting rights are being trampled (whose rights?) doesn’t make it so
  - iammisc 5y ago
    Except the global pandemic has left the vast vast vast majority of the world's population untouched.
    - nobodyandproud 5y ago
      Except it has affected many. https://www.aier.org/article/no-lockdowns-the-terrifying-polio-pandemic-of-1949-52/ https://www.aier.org/article/no-lockdowns-the-terrifying-pol... Context is everything: Polio affected less than 1% of the population. Even a smaller fraction, when counting those paralyzed. Still a scary disease.
      - iammisc 5y ago
        Oh really? How many people have been hospitalized or died compared to how many people are alive today?