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>if they're relatively low-skilled and straightforwardly replaceable narrator: "they aren't".

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AdamHominem 5y ago
What qualifies you to speak on the subject? What makes you more qualified than the people who actually have professional education, training, and experience in running a hospital?
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tptacek 5y ago
I took the time to look up the employee turnover rate at a regional health care provider in order to write my comment. Can I ask that you expend at least that much effort (it's not much!) to support your claim with evidence? My argument might be more subtle than my comment makes it seem; if so, that's my fault, because I wrote downthread as well and probably assumed people read both comments. A very large cohort of the workers in a regional health chain are not medical professionals, but rather support staff. Those are the employees that I'm saying are relatively low-skilled and replaceable. What's more, our current economic conditions make it straightforward for them to hop to other jobs right now. What you're saying seems pretty unlikely, given the demographics of vaccination.
- native_samples 5y ago
  Health officials have spent nearly two years claiming that all of society has to shut down because they cannot increase staffing capacity at all. That's why so many of the emergency hospitals that were built ended up shutting down having never seen a single patient. This claim was always implausible on its face, but having so adamantly claimed this, public health does not now get to claim that huge numbers of workers can be trivially hired and trained within a few weeks. If that actually is the case then the justification for lockdowns evaporates.
- TrevorJ 5y ago
  You are right, I did not understand that you were speaking about support staff and not those in nursing. Obviously nurses and doctors are not trivial to train and replace.
beerandt 5y ago
Our local hospitals have lost on average over half their nursing staff in the last year, and hasn't been able to replace near enough of them. This was before vaccine mandates. Which is only putting more stress on the ones who stayed, and it's getting to where they are getting burnt out, having gone through a year and a half of COVID and now taking to the slack due to the shortages. No telling what's going to happen when the vaccine mandate kicks in next month for most of the nurses. The normal overnight staffing where my wife works is usually one doctor, 3-mid levels and 6 nurses. They've been down to one doctor and 1-2 nurses for most of the last month.

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What qualifies you to speak on the subject? What makes you more qualified than the people who actually have professional education, training, and experience in running a hospital?

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tptacek 5y ago

I took the time to look up the employee turnover rate at a regional health care provider in order to write my comment. Can I ask that you expend at least that much effort (it's not much!) to support your claim with evidence? My argument might be more subtle than my comment makes it seem; if so, that's my fault, because I wrote downthread as well and probably assumed people read both comments. A very large cohort of the workers in a regional health chain are not medical professionals, but rather support staff. Those are the employees that I'm saying are relatively low-skilled and replaceable. What's more, our current economic conditions make it straightforward for them to hop to other jobs right now. What you're saying seems pretty unlikely, given the demographics of vaccination.

native_samples 5y ago
Health officials have spent nearly two years claiming that all of society has to shut down because they cannot increase staffing capacity at all. That's why so many of the emergency hospitals that were built ended up shutting down having never seen a single patient. This claim was always implausible on its face, but having so adamantly claimed this, public health does not now get to claim that huge numbers of workers can be trivially hired and trained within a few weeks. If that actually is the case then the justification for lockdowns evaporates.
TrevorJ 5y ago
You are right, I did not understand that you were speaking about support staff and not those in nursing. Obviously nurses and doctors are not trivial to train and replace.

beerandt 5y ago

Our local hospitals have lost on average over half their nursing staff in the last year, and hasn't been able to replace near enough of them. This was before vaccine mandates. Which is only putting more stress on the ones who stayed, and it's getting to where they are getting burnt out, having gone through a year and a half of COVID and now taking to the slack due to the shortages. No telling what's going to happen when the vaccine mandate kicks in next month for most of the nurses. The normal overnight staffing where my wife works is usually one doctor, 3-mid levels and 6 nurses. They've been down to one doctor and 1-2 nurses for most of the last month.