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> Qualcomm dominates at radios, which matters far more than single-core CPU performance. that is nonsense. I switched from iPhone to a Pixel 4 post-CSAM scanda
by n8cpdx 5y ago
> Qualcomm dominates at radios, which matters far more than single-core CPU performance.
that is nonsense. I switched from iPhone to a Pixel 4 post-CSAM scandal and the difference is night and day. My phone now makes me wait. Every single fucking day I wait. Wait Wait Wait. Slow Slow Slow. And this is a phone without the bloatware. Fucking miserably slow. Not in absolute terms necessarily, it would have been competitive 10 years ago. But in 2021, Qualcomm is fucking over every single Android user and their management should be ashamed.
I assume nonsense about single core performance being good enough is how the industry (Apple aside) has ended up in such a sorry state.
- Scramblejams 5y agoWhat distro?
- n8cpdx 5y agoGrapheneOS. A degree of slowness might be the extra security hardening. Not an excuse, because, aside from the built-in spyware, iOS is just as locked down, if not more so.
- google234123 5y agoThe next pixel(6) might have a non-generic SoC according to the rumors. obviously will cost more than a pixel 4 today though
- n8cpdx 5y agoI hope so. I got the 4 because I needed a cheap temporary replacement and only pixel is supported by graphene. I guess the risk is that google does something funky to prevent forks from working or taking advantage of the custom silicon. Competition for Qualcomm is way overdue. I'll probably suck it up and buy a pixel 6 once graphene is available for it.
- NotPractical 5y agoiOS is probably not nearly as security-hardened as Graphene (or even plain AOSP). iOS relies mostly on "security through obscurity" rather than actual hardening. Apple hopes to maintain security by making the system so complicated and proprietary that it's difficult to understand, let alone find bugs in. Graphene/AOSP hopes to maintain security through real open-source improvements that can be independently verified. It's hard to find bugs there not because access to the sources are unavailable, but because there are usually less bugs in the first place. So, which approach is better? Well, critical exploits are discovered in iOS left and right, so that probably tells you something. Also, I don't think it's fair to assume that Graphene is not playing some role in the slowness (though I don't believe most of the currently-implemented hardening is expected to create dramatic slowdown). Perhaps you should try running the stock ROM for a day or two (with the Google apps disabled in Settings, of course).
- kllrnohj 5y agoSorry for not being clear. I meant that radios matter far more to carriers & OEMs, the people who are actually Qualcomm's customers. For carriers this lets them get out that first 5G phone and all that nonsense. For OEMs this drastically reduces engineering complexity (and therefore improves margins) by avoiding a separate radio chip.
- n8cpdx 5y agoAh that makes sense. I think I'm on a hairpin trigger about people saying Qualcomm chips are fast enough for consumers. Mostly because I'm frustrated and upset by their chips every single day. But I'm not a Qualcomm customer, just a lowly user.
- awill 5y agoI will admit it's super frustrating to read a review of a flagship Android phone. Even from reputable places like Anandtech. They'll rave about the latest Snapdragon and how it'a a 10-20% improvement year over year. And yet it's 40% slower than last year's iPhone. I understand Android users don't have a choice. We can't get the A15. But journalists should be telling the world the truth over and over in every flagship Android review. "Your $1500 Galaxy S21 ultra has a worse SoC than a 3 year old iphone." I've been an Android user since the original G1, and every year I wonder why I don't switch to an iphone. Maybe this year.
- anonuser123456 5y ago“I switched from iPhone to a Pixel 4 … And this is a phone without the bloatware.” Mutually exclusive statements.