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You say that as if DuckDuckGo is completely immune to the same sorts of warrants. They're all the same, serving you ads based on your search terms.

by rstat1 5y ago

judge2020 5y ago
Yes. I think people forget that personalization is not used for ads in Google Search - it's always ads for what you're searching for. Your data is only used for things like YT Ads and banner ads via Adsense-enabled sites.
- ectopod 5y ago
  That's half true. Personalisation informs the search which informs the ads. If I search for a restaurant I get ads for local restaurants.
vineyardmike 5y ago
> You say that as if DuckDuckGo is completely immune to the same sorts of warrants. If you don't collect data, you can't share it in a warrant.
- rstat1 5y ago
  But they do though. How else are they going to serve you ads based on your search terms? (which they plainly say on their website that they do) There isn't a single search engine anywhere that isn't collecting some data. Not even DDG.
  - leereeves 5y ago
    DDG's privacy policy says: > When you search at DuckDuckGo, we don't know who you are and there is no way to tie your searches together. > When you access DuckDuckGo (or any Web site), your Web browser automatically sends information about your computer, e.g. your User agent and IP address. > Because this information could be used to link you to your searches, we do not log (store) it at all. https://duckduckgo.com/privacy#s3 https://duckduckgo.com/privacy#s3
  - burnished 5y ago
    Serving ads based on your search terms is like serving an ad because some ones search had the word 'bolts' in it. You don't need to keep a lot of information pertaining to that around, not about the people using your service at least. Google isn't doing that. They have pretty complete portraits of your life (and dare I say) psychology that only comes from having such an incredible wealth of information about you and your position in the network graph.
  - vineyardmike 5y ago
    > How else are they going to serve you ads based on your search terms They obviously have the search term your searching! They don't need to track you, they send the ads back with the search results!
- kobalsky 5y ago
  protonmail used to say this on their website and removed it after some people were arrested because they did provide logs to the french authorities. the catch is that they didn't log by default but they had to log specific users due to a warrant. the same will happen any service hosted by legal businesses.
  - vineyardmike 5y ago
    Can't log specific users if you don't track who is who.
  - lamontcg 5y ago
    > the catch is that they didn't log by default but they had to log specific users due to a warrant. that is a usable quantum bump up in privacy. requiring the authorities to specifically be investigating you, rather than you just being caught in a dragnet looking for someone to investigate.

You say that as if DuckDuckGo is completely immune to the same sorts of warrants. They're all the same, serving you ads based on your search terms.

by rstat1 5y ago

You say that as if DuckDuckGo is completely immune to the same sorts of warrants. They're all the same, serving you ads based on your search terms.

judge2020 5y ago

Yes. I think people forget that personalization is not used for ads in Google Search - it's always ads for what you're searching for. Your data is only used for things like YT Ads and banner ads via Adsense-enabled sites.

ectopod 5y ago
That's half true. Personalisation informs the search which informs the ads. If I search for a restaurant I get ads for local restaurants.

vineyardmike 5y ago

> You say that as if DuckDuckGo is completely immune to the same sorts of warrants. If you don't collect data, you can't share it in a warrant.

rstat1 5y ago
But they do though. How else are they going to serve you ads based on your search terms? (which they plainly say on their website that they do) There isn't a single search engine anywhere that isn't collecting some data. Not even DDG.
- leereeves 5y ago
  DDG's privacy policy says: > When you search at DuckDuckGo, we don't know who you are and there is no way to tie your searches together. > When you access DuckDuckGo (or any Web site), your Web browser automatically sends information about your computer, e.g. your User agent and IP address. > Because this information could be used to link you to your searches, we do not log (store) it at all. https://duckduckgo.com/privacy#s3 https://duckduckgo.com/privacy#s3
- burnished 5y ago
  Serving ads based on your search terms is like serving an ad because some ones search had the word 'bolts' in it. You don't need to keep a lot of information pertaining to that around, not about the people using your service at least. Google isn't doing that. They have pretty complete portraits of your life (and dare I say) psychology that only comes from having such an incredible wealth of information about you and your position in the network graph.
- vineyardmike 5y ago
  > How else are they going to serve you ads based on your search terms They obviously have the search term your searching! They don't need to track you, they send the ads back with the search results!
kobalsky 5y ago
protonmail used to say this on their website and removed it after some people were arrested because they did provide logs to the french authorities. the catch is that they didn't log by default but they had to log specific users due to a warrant. the same will happen any service hosted by legal businesses.
- vineyardmike 5y ago
  Can't log specific users if you don't track who is who.
- lamontcg 5y ago
  > the catch is that they didn't log by default but they had to log specific users due to a warrant. that is a usable quantum bump up in privacy. requiring the authorities to specifically be investigating you, rather than you just being caught in a dragnet looking for someone to investigate.