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I'm glad I never gave FB my real phone number or birthday. Nobody should. I predicted this would happen some day. It's always just a matter of probability and t

by dheera 5y ago

I'm glad I never gave FB my real phone number or birthday. Nobody should. I predicted this would happen some day. It's always just a matter of probability and time.

slig 5y ago
Do you have any friends that might have used any FB app? If so, chances are high they uploaded their contact list and FB has your name and phone number.
- dheera 5y ago
  I mean, I usually just tell friends to call me on FB messenger (or WeChat) rather than giving them one of my 10+ phone numbers, so FB probably wouldn't have gotten it that way. I'm not on very many people's phone contact lists. The few that do have a virtual number that I can just change. Name, yes, but that's public.
- Loughla 5y ago
  And this is exactly why this is a problem. I have never consented to facebook having my information. I have never had an account linked to anything real about me. I had one in 2004 or so to learn about college parties. I used a pseudonym and deleted in once I graduated. But I guarantee they still have my information because people I know use their app. This is not okay.
jaywalk 5y ago
If you want to talk about a matter of probability, your real phone number and birthday are almost certainly already out there.
- dheera 5y ago
  I have a fake birthday I use consistently across most of the internet. I don't have a consistent "real" phone number -- I change it periodically. I then have virtual numbers that redirect to those, which I change from time to time as well.
fortuna86 5y ago
The day Facebook locked me out and asked for photo ID to get back in, that was the last day I used FB.
- deleted 5y ago
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- dheera 5y ago
  IANAL but is it legal to just use a fake ID with photoshopped numbers, considering there is no legal or financial damage done in doing so in the FB case? You aren't causing someone to serve alcohol to minors, you aren't giving it to the government, you're just telling a social media giant that they have no right to that information. I'm looking at this https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/vehicle-code/470b/ https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/vehicle-code/470b/ and IANAL but it seems that possession of a fake ID of itself isn't illegal and I don't think "using Facebook" falls under the intent to defraud, i.e. "in order to cause loss or damage to a legal, financial, or property right".
  - dane-pgp 5y ago
    > "in order to cause loss or damage to a legal, financial, or property right". It would be a stretch, but perhaps an imaginative prosecutor could claim that the user is trying to diminish Facebook's finances/property by generating web responses (using CPU time and electricity) which it otherwise wouldn't. That's discounting all the expansive interpretations of the CFAA which would deem any breach of Facebook's terms of service to be an act of illegal hacking, not to mention an interpretation of copyright law that asserted that the user was receiving unlicensed copies of Facebook's intellectual property (e.g. their HTML).
- dheera 5y ago
  IANAL but is it legal to just use a fake ID with photoshopped numbers, considering there is no legal or financial damage done in doing so in the FB case? You aren't causing someone to serve alcohol to minors, you aren't giving it to the government, you're just telling a social media giant that they have no right to that information.
beagle3 5y ago
Never gave mine either, but that’s the strength of FB: you don’t even need to have an account. They know everything about you because your friends, family and colleagues gave them that information.

by dheera 5y ago

I'm glad I never gave FB my real phone number or birthday. Nobody should. I predicted this would happen some day. It's always just a matter of probability and time.

slig 5y ago

Do you have any friends that might have used any FB app? If so, chances are high they uploaded their contact list and FB has your name and phone number.

dheera 5y ago
I mean, I usually just tell friends to call me on FB messenger (or WeChat) rather than giving them one of my 10+ phone numbers, so FB probably wouldn't have gotten it that way. I'm not on very many people's phone contact lists. The few that do have a virtual number that I can just change. Name, yes, but that's public.
Loughla 5y ago
And this is exactly why this is a problem. I have never consented to facebook having my information. I have never had an account linked to anything real about me. I had one in 2004 or so to learn about college parties. I used a pseudonym and deleted in once I graduated. But I guarantee they still have my information because people I know use their app. This is not okay.

jaywalk 5y ago

If you want to talk about a matter of probability, your real phone number and birthday are almost certainly already out there.

dheera 5y ago
I have a fake birthday I use consistently across most of the internet. I don't have a consistent "real" phone number -- I change it periodically. I then have virtual numbers that redirect to those, which I change from time to time as well.

fortuna86 5y ago

The day Facebook locked me out and asked for photo ID to get back in, that was the last day I used FB.

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dheera 5y ago
IANAL but is it legal to just use a fake ID with photoshopped numbers, considering there is no legal or financial damage done in doing so in the FB case? You aren't causing someone to serve alcohol to minors, you aren't giving it to the government, you're just telling a social media giant that they have no right to that information. I'm looking at this https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/vehicle-code/470b/ https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/vehicle-code/470b/ and IANAL but it seems that possession of a fake ID of itself isn't illegal and I don't think "using Facebook" falls under the intent to defraud, i.e. "in order to cause loss or damage to a legal, financial, or property right".
- dane-pgp 5y ago
  > "in order to cause loss or damage to a legal, financial, or property right". It would be a stretch, but perhaps an imaginative prosecutor could claim that the user is trying to diminish Facebook's finances/property by generating web responses (using CPU time and electricity) which it otherwise wouldn't. That's discounting all the expansive interpretations of the CFAA which would deem any breach of Facebook's terms of service to be an act of illegal hacking, not to mention an interpretation of copyright law that asserted that the user was receiving unlicensed copies of Facebook's intellectual property (e.g. their HTML).
dheera 5y ago
IANAL but is it legal to just use a fake ID with photoshopped numbers, considering there is no legal or financial damage done in doing so in the FB case? You aren't causing someone to serve alcohol to minors, you aren't giving it to the government, you're just telling a social media giant that they have no right to that information.

beagle3 5y ago

Never gave mine either, but that’s the strength of FB: you don’t even need to have an account. They know everything about you because your friends, family and colleagues gave them that information.