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Facebook down, WhatsApp down, but Signal still works. Time for a change? EDIT: Yes, Signal is not federated, but that's what people are at least ready to consi

Facebook down, WhatsApp down, but Signal still works. Time for a change? EDIT: Yes, Signal is not federated, but that's what people are at least ready to consider as a WhatsApp alternative. I also created Matrix / Element account, and had 0 contacts using it already.

WallyFunk 5y ago
> Signal still works https://old.reddit.com/r/thehatedone/comments/f160jh/is_signal_centralized/ https://old.reddit.com/r/thehatedone/comments/f160jh/is_sign... Signal is still centralized and uses AWS. So if AWS was to go down, it would affect not just Signal but vast swathes of the Internets.
fsflover 5y ago
Signal had their own share of downtime. How about going to a federated system instead of repeating the same mistakes? (https://matrix.org https://matrix.org)
- JCWasmx86 5y ago
  But still a part would be down, if a server has an outage. How about a system, where every device that is used for chatting is a server at the same time? I wonder whether something like that already exists. Bundle it together with bigger servers to handle the load. If the bigger servers experience outages, the service can still continue, although a bit slower
  - fsflover 5y ago
    Matrix P2P already exists.
    - JCWasmx86 5y ago
      Thanks, didn't know that!
Arathorn 5y ago
The reason contacts don't tend to show up on Matrix/Element is because we don't push the user into sharing their addressbooks given the obvious privacy issues. Instead you mainly have to figure out who you know out-of-band for now (e.g. tweet "hey, who's on Matrix?").
- tut-urut-utut 5y ago
  I would be happy to have an option to share my availability on Matrix with other people that decided the same if that would mean I could bootstrap my network on that platform. As it is now, Matrix may offer better privacy and more robust weil federated and p2p, but if I had to personally ask all of my contacts if they actually use it using some other medium, I can keep using that other medium too for conversations.

WallyFunk 5y ago

> Signal still works https://old.reddit.com/r/thehatedone/comments/f160jh/is_signal_centralized/ https://old.reddit.com/r/thehatedone/comments/f160jh/is_sign... Signal is still centralized and uses AWS. So if AWS was to go down, it would affect not just Signal but vast swathes of the Internets.

fsflover 5y ago

Signal had their own share of downtime. How about going to a federated system instead of repeating the same mistakes? (https://matrix.org https://matrix.org)

JCWasmx86 5y ago
But still a part would be down, if a server has an outage. How about a system, where every device that is used for chatting is a server at the same time? I wonder whether something like that already exists. Bundle it together with bigger servers to handle the load. If the bigger servers experience outages, the service can still continue, although a bit slower
- fsflover 5y ago
  Matrix P2P already exists.
  - JCWasmx86 5y ago
    Thanks, didn't know that!

Arathorn 5y ago

The reason contacts don't tend to show up on Matrix/Element is because we don't push the user into sharing their addressbooks given the obvious privacy issues. Instead you mainly have to figure out who you know out-of-band for now (e.g. tweet "hey, who's on Matrix?").

tut-urut-utut 5y ago
I would be happy to have an option to share my availability on Matrix with other people that decided the same if that would mean I could bootstrap my network on that platform. As it is now, Matrix may offer better privacy and more robust weil federated and p2p, but if I had to personally ask all of my contacts if they actually use it using some other medium, I can keep using that other medium too for conversations.