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Still, big products rarely want to mention their smaller competitors, to not draw attention to them. That Mozilla post is a very good favor for Brave. Kudos to

Still, big products rarely want to mention their smaller competitors, to not draw attention to them. That Mozilla post is a very good favor for Brave. Kudos to Mozilla!

smoldesu 5y ago
Brave isn't a competitor with Firefox. Firefox is a browser, Brave is a crypto wallet/ethical ad aggregator/adblock/DNS/video-calling system/compensation network/social/IPFS viewer. You're welcome to choose for yourself, but I typically grab Firefox when I just want to browse the web.
- approxim8ion 5y ago
  > Firefox is a browser, Brave is a ... Yes. But to most people, they're both browsers. So it really doesn't matter.
- celsoazevedo 5y ago
  I have both Firefox and Brave installed (currently typing this on Firefox). I use Brave because it's Chromium without Google's stuff, fairly fast updates, supports extensions from the official store, etc. All other stuff is disabled... I use it as a browser.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    I have a similar setup, except I use Ungoogled Chromium as my Chrome browser. You could achieve similar results by stripping Brave of it's featureset, but it's easier for me since I can automate the process of installing Chromium on my desktop. I'm glad you seem to get it though. My comment wasn't intended as a jab at Brave's featureset, but rather to point out that they ship as completely different utilities. As someone who already has utilities for what it offers, it's hard to fit Brave into my life. On top of that, it's also hard to trust that they won't introduce some radical feature that I won't like, since it's current state is one hell of a precedent for what a browser should look like. At the end of the day I err on the side of simplicity and security.
    - celsoazevedo 5y ago
      Ungoogled Chromium is nice, but lacks self updates and I can't seem to be able to install extensions directly from the store. For browser updates, I could go the binaries way, but then I'd have to use a 3rd party package manager and have to live with outdated versions (the project is on Chromium 94, but the version for macOS is still on 92). I could also build it myself, but I don't want to deal with that (I guess part of the problem is me being lazy). The perfect Chromium browser for me would be Brave as it works right now, but without their own features. Sadly that doesn't seem to exist.
  - kreetx 5y ago
    Same here ("it's Chromium without Google's stuff"). For Brave on Android I wish they deviated from Chrome by adding a no-autoplay option for videos.[1] [1] https://community.brave.com/t/where-is-the-disable-video-autoplay-setting/211019/8 https://community.brave.com/t/where-is-the-disable-video-aut...
  - tlavoie 5y ago
    How would you compare Brave to Vivaldi, which also uses Chromium under the hood? That's my default not-Chrome, haven't used Brave.
    - celsoazevedo 5y ago
      Vivaldi is an interesting browser... it's developed by some of the people that used to work on the original Opera browser. Opera was sold and now also uses Chromium, but it's closer to Chromium (and Brave) in terms of UI and features, than to Vivaldi and the old Opera. I've tried it, but it tries to do a lot (email client, notes, very customisable, etc) and sometimes I would get overwhelmed with all the options. It also seems to use more resources and was not as fluid as other Chromium-based browsers (at least on my machine). I've heard that they rely a lot on javascript so it's easier to maintain the UI and features across all platforms, but the performance suffers a bit. Brave is closer to Chromium and Chrome (UI, features, etc). If you try it, keep Brave Rewards off, ignore the crypto side of things, it can be a nice Chrome replacement if you don't need all the Google stuff (sync, etc). In any case, if you're happy with Vivaldi, then keep using it. I don't think it's a bad browser, but sadly it doesn't fit my needs.
      - tlavoie 5y ago
        Great, thanks for the note. I'm using Firefox as my primary, so really, Vivaldi tends to be my alternate for sites that don't like Firefox (or at least the configuration I use.)
- sleepysysadmin 5y ago
  Crazy how firefox uses so much more ram comparatively speaking.
- mixedCase 5y ago
  That's an interesting way of viewing it. I use it because it's the best maintained Chromium fork out there that is privacy-focused and supports extensions from the store OOTB. I don't care about nor use most of their "value-add".
- KarlKemp 5y ago
  I didn't expect the self-proclaimed "Brave" browser and the word "ethical" in the same sentence. At least not with a sprinkling of "investigations", "un", "challenged", or "lol". I guess one man's ad aggregator is another's man-in-the-middle attack, and those added to the compensation network without their consent may mistake it for an extortion racket.
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moron4hire 5y ago
Is Brave really that much smaller than Firefox, these days? Firefox has lost a LOT of market share over the last 15 years of Mozilla basically running an "eat your vegetables" campaign for their primary product.

Still, big products rarely want to mention their smaller competitors, to not draw attention to them. That Mozilla post is a very good favor for Brave. Kudos to Mozilla!

smoldesu 5y ago

Brave isn't a competitor with Firefox. Firefox is a browser, Brave is a crypto wallet/ethical ad aggregator/adblock/DNS/video-calling system/compensation network/social/IPFS viewer. You're welcome to choose for yourself, but I typically grab Firefox when I just want to browse the web.

approxim8ion 5y ago
> Firefox is a browser, Brave is a ... Yes. But to most people, they're both browsers. So it really doesn't matter.
celsoazevedo 5y ago
I have both Firefox and Brave installed (currently typing this on Firefox). I use Brave because it's Chromium without Google's stuff, fairly fast updates, supports extensions from the official store, etc. All other stuff is disabled... I use it as a browser.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  I have a similar setup, except I use Ungoogled Chromium as my Chrome browser. You could achieve similar results by stripping Brave of it's featureset, but it's easier for me since I can automate the process of installing Chromium on my desktop. I'm glad you seem to get it though. My comment wasn't intended as a jab at Brave's featureset, but rather to point out that they ship as completely different utilities. As someone who already has utilities for what it offers, it's hard to fit Brave into my life. On top of that, it's also hard to trust that they won't introduce some radical feature that I won't like, since it's current state is one hell of a precedent for what a browser should look like. At the end of the day I err on the side of simplicity and security.
  - celsoazevedo 5y ago
    Ungoogled Chromium is nice, but lacks self updates and I can't seem to be able to install extensions directly from the store. For browser updates, I could go the binaries way, but then I'd have to use a 3rd party package manager and have to live with outdated versions (the project is on Chromium 94, but the version for macOS is still on 92). I could also build it myself, but I don't want to deal with that (I guess part of the problem is me being lazy). The perfect Chromium browser for me would be Brave as it works right now, but without their own features. Sadly that doesn't seem to exist.
- kreetx 5y ago
  Same here ("it's Chromium without Google's stuff"). For Brave on Android I wish they deviated from Chrome by adding a no-autoplay option for videos.[1] [1] https://community.brave.com/t/where-is-the-disable-video-autoplay-setting/211019/8 https://community.brave.com/t/where-is-the-disable-video-aut...
- tlavoie 5y ago
  How would you compare Brave to Vivaldi, which also uses Chromium under the hood? That's my default not-Chrome, haven't used Brave.
  - celsoazevedo 5y ago
    Vivaldi is an interesting browser... it's developed by some of the people that used to work on the original Opera browser. Opera was sold and now also uses Chromium, but it's closer to Chromium (and Brave) in terms of UI and features, than to Vivaldi and the old Opera. I've tried it, but it tries to do a lot (email client, notes, very customisable, etc) and sometimes I would get overwhelmed with all the options. It also seems to use more resources and was not as fluid as other Chromium-based browsers (at least on my machine). I've heard that they rely a lot on javascript so it's easier to maintain the UI and features across all platforms, but the performance suffers a bit. Brave is closer to Chromium and Chrome (UI, features, etc). If you try it, keep Brave Rewards off, ignore the crypto side of things, it can be a nice Chrome replacement if you don't need all the Google stuff (sync, etc). In any case, if you're happy with Vivaldi, then keep using it. I don't think it's a bad browser, but sadly it doesn't fit my needs.
    - tlavoie 5y ago
      Great, thanks for the note. I'm using Firefox as my primary, so really, Vivaldi tends to be my alternate for sites that don't like Firefox (or at least the configuration I use.)
sleepysysadmin 5y ago
Crazy how firefox uses so much more ram comparatively speaking.
mixedCase 5y ago
That's an interesting way of viewing it. I use it because it's the best maintained Chromium fork out there that is privacy-focused and supports extensions from the store OOTB. I don't care about nor use most of their "value-add".
KarlKemp 5y ago
I didn't expect the self-proclaimed "Brave" browser and the word "ethical" in the same sentence. At least not with a sprinkling of "investigations", "un", "challenged", or "lol". I guess one man's ad aggregator is another's man-in-the-middle attack, and those added to the compensation network without their consent may mistake it for an extortion racket.
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moron4hire 5y ago

Is Brave really that much smaller than Firefox, these days? Firefox has lost a LOT of market share over the last 15 years of Mozilla basically running an "eat your vegetables" campaign for their primary product.