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Everyone now knows upper management of FB (the company) are awful human beings. FB as a website / app is dead. Instagram is becoming much more widely known as a

Everyone now knows upper management of FB (the company) are awful human beings. FB as a website / app is dead. Instagram is becoming much more widely known as a source of terrible online addiction problems for young people. It's really annoying how deeply ingrained Whatsapp has become into life (especially where I live), but they will have to squeeze a lot of money from it to make up from the decline of the first two platforms. Yes, I think the article is completely correct.

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dr-detroit 5y ago
Its well publicized that Steve Jobs wouldn't let his kids use iPad because the project is engineered to manipulate your brain and/or harm your brain. Anyone who uses facebook or an iWatch or any of this garbage has all the information they need. They choose to be a victim. Its a cultural problem not a Zuckerburg problem.
- AndrewBissell 5y ago
  > They choose to be a victim. Did they choose to have decades of behavioral and psychological research weaponized against them in order to lash them to these systems? Did they all choose for their friends and family and huge swaths of their social life and day-to-day communications to be subsumed?
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    Frankly... yes. That has been the gambit with Apple products for decades: it's not a computer, it's consumer technology. Steve Jobs owned up to this outright, championing this idea that the computer needs to disappear altogether. Everything Apple has done over the past 20 years is about abstracting detailed, rich information away from a user, which indeed leaves a lot of developers scratching their head. If you've ever seen "how the sausage" is made, you're probably twice as skeptical. Putting that much faith in any company of that size is a good way to get all of data compromised. So yes, I'd argue that they did choose that. Their complacency is their consent.
- antiSingularity 5y ago
  It's well known that Zuckerburg won't let his young kids use any FB products. Obviously - dealers don't get high off their supply, and definitely don't give it to their own kids. >“Congresswoman, My daughters are five and three and they do not use our products. Actually that is not exactly true my eldest daughter, Max, I let use Messenger Kids sometimes to message her cousins,” said Mr Zuckerberg.
- 9935c101ab17a66 5y ago
  You should maybe rethink your attitude and tone, it's needlessly combative and your comments are both pointlessly reductive and unnecessarily critical.
elzbardico 5y ago
Trouble for them is that even with WhatsApp Telegram is on their heels. My wife has a lot of her professional and academic groups in telegram and she loves things like bots and channels, not to mention their Mac desktop application
- ornornor 5y ago
  There are countries where whatsapp has pretty much become a utility and synonymous with „phone/sms“. Portugal is one of these countries.
  - iruoy 5y ago
    Netherlands too. Some companies (KLM for example) offer WhatsApp as another channel for customer support over these days. And you can even contact the Dutch government over WhatsApp (plus Facebook, Twitter, email and phone).
  - jsonne 5y ago
    Pretty much all of LATAM Whatsapp is more ubiquitous than anything else.
    - Semaphor 5y ago
      Phone calls still exist, but for most people Whatsapp seems to have overtaken SMS even here in Germany (From what I’ve heard, I’m not a WA user)
  - kapilkaisare 5y ago
    And India. Most businesses run their customer service off Whatsapp, including nation-wide telecom outfits.
  - simiones 5y ago
    Romania as well. Just to give an example, I recently needed some documents printed (WFH = no printer...) and found a corner shop where I just shared the docs over whatsapp with them.
jsonne 5y ago
>FB as a website / app is dead According to whom? Hacker news doomsday predictors? They have literally over a billion MAUs right? Just because the demographic skews older doesn't make those users less valid.
- HenryKissinger 5y ago
  They're losing millions of users in the free world. Most of their gains are from places like South America and South Asia.
  - randiantech 5y ago
    South America and South Asia are not "free world"? What does that mean?
  - spywaregorilla 5y ago
    Pretty sure they're still gaining, slowly, in the US
  - rmsaksida 5y ago
    I live in South America and virtually everyone I know has moved to Instagram. People still keep their FB profiles around but they don't use it much. Also, I was not aware I don't live in the "free world". You learn something new every day...
  - FooBarBizBazz 5y ago
    "Free world", lol. Name checks out. Fair enough, but I think you meant "developed world". South America and SE Asia are both within the US sphere of influence, so I think they qualify as "free world". Which is to say, they're not aligned with the USSR. But who is these days? I correct myself: You wrote "S Asia", not "SE Asia"; that tends to be more "non-aligned", so... well, India was always hard to classify. They're key to Indo-Pacific strategy though, so y'know, best not let TikTok catch on there. Henry Kissinger + social media. The geopolitics of meme control. Sounds about right for 2021.
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PoaMk 5y ago
I had to babysit a classroom of 8-10 year olds recently and asked how many used smartphones everyday. All of them raised their hand. What do you guys do on the phone? Games and Whatsapp. WTF are you guys doing on Whatsapp? Oh we chat with each other.
whywhywhywhy 5y ago
>FB as a website / app is dead Literally doesn't matter, it's time to realize that FB, Whatsapp, IG are all the same data bucket. Doesn't matter which you use, which you boycott if you touch any of these you're a FB user and if a single person who knows you IRL uses any of these and allows contacts access you are at least a shadow profile in their system. Saying that I do believe both FB and IG will be surpassed by other networks within 10 years. The only thing up in the air is if those networks accept FBs offer of not.

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dr-detroit 5y ago

Its well publicized that Steve Jobs wouldn't let his kids use iPad because the project is engineered to manipulate your brain and/or harm your brain. Anyone who uses facebook or an iWatch or any of this garbage has all the information they need. They choose to be a victim. Its a cultural problem not a Zuckerburg problem.

AndrewBissell 5y ago
> They choose to be a victim. Did they choose to have decades of behavioral and psychological research weaponized against them in order to lash them to these systems? Did they all choose for their friends and family and huge swaths of their social life and day-to-day communications to be subsumed?
- smoldesu 5y ago
  Frankly... yes. That has been the gambit with Apple products for decades: it's not a computer, it's consumer technology. Steve Jobs owned up to this outright, championing this idea that the computer needs to disappear altogether. Everything Apple has done over the past 20 years is about abstracting detailed, rich information away from a user, which indeed leaves a lot of developers scratching their head. If you've ever seen "how the sausage" is made, you're probably twice as skeptical. Putting that much faith in any company of that size is a good way to get all of data compromised. So yes, I'd argue that they did choose that. Their complacency is their consent.
antiSingularity 5y ago
It's well known that Zuckerburg won't let his young kids use any FB products. Obviously - dealers don't get high off their supply, and definitely don't give it to their own kids. >“Congresswoman, My daughters are five and three and they do not use our products. Actually that is not exactly true my eldest daughter, Max, I let use Messenger Kids sometimes to message her cousins,” said Mr Zuckerberg.
9935c101ab17a66 5y ago
You should maybe rethink your attitude and tone, it's needlessly combative and your comments are both pointlessly reductive and unnecessarily critical.

elzbardico 5y ago

Trouble for them is that even with WhatsApp Telegram is on their heels. My wife has a lot of her professional and academic groups in telegram and she loves things like bots and channels, not to mention their Mac desktop application

ornornor 5y ago
There are countries where whatsapp has pretty much become a utility and synonymous with „phone/sms“. Portugal is one of these countries.
- iruoy 5y ago
  Netherlands too. Some companies (KLM for example) offer WhatsApp as another channel for customer support over these days. And you can even contact the Dutch government over WhatsApp (plus Facebook, Twitter, email and phone).
- jsonne 5y ago
  Pretty much all of LATAM Whatsapp is more ubiquitous than anything else.
  - Semaphor 5y ago
    Phone calls still exist, but for most people Whatsapp seems to have overtaken SMS even here in Germany (From what I’ve heard, I’m not a WA user)
- kapilkaisare 5y ago
  And India. Most businesses run their customer service off Whatsapp, including nation-wide telecom outfits.
- simiones 5y ago
  Romania as well. Just to give an example, I recently needed some documents printed (WFH = no printer...) and found a corner shop where I just shared the docs over whatsapp with them.

jsonne 5y ago

>FB as a website / app is dead According to whom? Hacker news doomsday predictors? They have literally over a billion MAUs right? Just because the demographic skews older doesn't make those users less valid.

HenryKissinger 5y ago
They're losing millions of users in the free world. Most of their gains are from places like South America and South Asia.
- randiantech 5y ago
  South America and South Asia are not "free world"? What does that mean?
- spywaregorilla 5y ago
  Pretty sure they're still gaining, slowly, in the US
- rmsaksida 5y ago
  I live in South America and virtually everyone I know has moved to Instagram. People still keep their FB profiles around but they don't use it much. Also, I was not aware I don't live in the "free world". You learn something new every day...
- FooBarBizBazz 5y ago
  "Free world", lol. Name checks out. Fair enough, but I think you meant "developed world". South America and SE Asia are both within the US sphere of influence, so I think they qualify as "free world". Which is to say, they're not aligned with the USSR. But who is these days? I correct myself: You wrote "S Asia", not "SE Asia"; that tends to be more "non-aligned", so... well, India was always hard to classify. They're key to Indo-Pacific strategy though, so y'know, best not let TikTok catch on there. Henry Kissinger + social media. The geopolitics of meme control. Sounds about right for 2021.
input_sh 5y ago

PoaMk 5y ago

I had to babysit a classroom of 8-10 year olds recently and asked how many used smartphones everyday. All of them raised their hand. What do you guys do on the phone? Games and Whatsapp. WTF are you guys doing on Whatsapp? Oh we chat with each other.

whywhywhywhy 5y ago

>FB as a website / app is dead Literally doesn't matter, it's time to realize that FB, Whatsapp, IG are all the same data bucket. Doesn't matter which you use, which you boycott if you touch any of these you're a FB user and if a single person who knows you IRL uses any of these and allows contacts access you are at least a shadow profile in their system. Saying that I do believe both FB and IG will be surpassed by other networks within 10 years. The only thing up in the air is if those networks accept FBs offer of not.