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Firefox vs. Brave: Which is the better browser for you? – Mozilla

39 points by KoftaBob 5y ago

stevespang 5y ago
Mozilla offers an unbiased comparison ? I call BS. . . ."Overall, Brave is a fast and secure browser that will have particular appeal to cryptocurrency users. But for the vast majority of internet citizens, Firefox remains a better and simpler solution."
aquova 5y ago
> There are a few security features in Brave worth highlighting, such as its automatic HTTPS connection upgrades (which Firefox also offers by extension) This information is a bit outdated, Firefox has offered HTTPS mode built-in for a few versions now.
- cute_boi 5y ago
  its obviously old because it uses firefox 81 or 82 as per the article. Probably 1 year old firefox.
gbil 5y ago
Quoting from the page: "The comparisons made here were done so with default settings and across browser release versions as follows: Firefox (81) | Brave (1.14.81) This page is updated semi-quarterly to reflect latest versioning and may not always reflect latest updates." This is for sure not true, Firefox 81 was released more than a year ago
neilsimp1 5y ago
I feel like choosing a browser is like choosing a political candidate (US) - I don't choose the one that I like, I choose the one that is least bad. FF is still the least bad.
dotcoma 5y ago
I can’t believe that neither can do decent bookmarks.
- scaglio 5y ago
  Any suggestions/extension for better bookmarks management?
  - Steltek 5y ago
    I've given up on the built-in bookmarks in all browsers and even the New Tab page. I wrote up a single file HTML page and checked it into my dotfiles repos. Icons are short data urls of SVG with a hover drop down (like Reddit and various subreddits). I like that it's "self hosted" and not some 3rd party site. I have hundreds of bookmarks, all neatly categorized, compared to the New Tab page's paltry 16 or whatever. I also get the exact same page in Firefox (personal), Chrome (work), or Firefox/Android. It sounded silly at first but now I can't live without it.
    - ravenstine 5y ago
      Are you saying you have your new-tab page set to a `file://` URL that points to an HTML file? If so, that's a pretty excellent idea. :D
      - Steltek 5y ago
        Yes but a little more complicated than that. You need an add-on, as the old "homepage" preferences seem to have gone by the wayside or don't work as expected.
    - slightwinder 5y ago
      Isn't that awful to maintain?
  - rytcio 5y ago
    I use https://www.raindrop.io https://www.raindrop.io
  - throwaway78981 5y ago
    Pinboard is a good one. You can even upload PDFs etc and search the text within the PDF. Paid though. It's cheap. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinboard_(website) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinboard_(website) Desktop site: https://pinboard.in/ https://pinboard.in/ Mobile site: https://m.pinboard.in/ https://m.pinboard.in/ iOS/iPadOS/macOS app: https://get-pins.app/ https://get-pins.app/
asddubs 5y ago
interesting they're linking adblock plus rather than ublock origin
- throwaway78981 5y ago
  Yeah. So irritating. Adblock Plus is owned by Eyeo GmbH which supposedly earns millions through it's 'acceptable ads' program. [1] https://nitter.mailstation.de/gorhill/search?f=tweets&q=%22eyeo%22 https://nitter.mailstation.de/gorhill/search?f=tweets&q=%22e... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adblock_Plus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adblock_Plus [3] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=%22eyeo%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... Edit: Just use 'Ublock Origin' instead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBlock_Origin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBlock_Origin
  - blendergeek 5y ago
    > Adblock Plus is owned by Eyeo GmbH which supposedly earns millions through it's 'acceptable ads' program. That is not wild speculation but rather the official narrative from Adblock Plus. Their main revenue stream is the acceptable ads program [1]. In order to see if they make "millions", I am also linking their financial statements from the Company Register in Germany [2]. Please note that this document is in German and I read it using machine translation software. [1] https://adblockplus.org/en/about#monetization https://adblockplus.org/en/about#monetization [2] https://www.unternehmensregister.de/ureg/result.html;jsessionid=A3AA231A312D4DB40CD8DF4E83E13630.web01-1?submitaction=showDocument&id=26124197 https://www.unternehmensregister.de/ureg/result.html;jsessio...
    - throwaway78981 5y ago
      So, are they making millions?
      - blendergeek 5y ago
        I believe so. But I dont read German very well and I don't trust Google Translate so I am not ruling on that claim.
JohnBooty 5y ago
"Turns out, Mozilla Firefox is better" -- Mozilla
- deepsun 5y ago
  Still, big products rarely want to mention their smaller competitors, to not draw attention to them. That Mozilla post is a very good favor for Brave. Kudos to Mozilla!
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    Brave isn't a competitor with Firefox. Firefox is a browser, Brave is a crypto wallet/ethical ad aggregator/adblock/DNS/video-calling system/compensation network/social/IPFS viewer. You're welcome to choose for yourself, but I typically grab Firefox when I just want to browse the web.
    - approxim8ion 5y ago
      > Firefox is a browser, Brave is a ... Yes. But to most people, they're both browsers. So it really doesn't matter.
    - celsoazevedo 5y ago
      I have both Firefox and Brave installed (currently typing this on Firefox). I use Brave because it's Chromium without Google's stuff, fairly fast updates, supports extensions from the official store, etc. All other stuff is disabled... I use it as a browser.
      - smoldesu 5y ago
        I have a similar setup, except I use Ungoogled Chromium as my Chrome browser. You could achieve similar results by stripping Brave of it's featureset, but it's easier for me since I can automate the process of installing Chromium on my desktop. I'm glad you seem to get it though. My comment wasn't intended as a jab at Brave's featureset, but rather to point out that they ship as completely different utilities. As someone who already has utilities for what it offers, it's hard to fit Brave into my life. On top of that, it's also hard to trust that they won't introduce some radical feature that I won't like, since it's current state is one hell of a precedent for what a browser should look like. At the end of the day I err on the side of simplicity and security.
user764743 5y ago
They are not mentioning the most important reason for me. I think Firefox is better by default simply because I don't want to help contribute to Google's chromium/blink hegemony over the web.
- toastal 5y ago
  Not disagreeing, but the question is better for ‘you’, not better for society or the internet. Lotta people (sadly) don’t know or care about rendering and JavaScript engines. That said, the weirdest thing about Brave is that the BAT stuff could likely have been implemented as a browser extension. The changes to Chromium the Brave team must now maintain choosing to fork a browser are because Google makes changes in the code base for the good of their business, not consumers.
  - imgabe 5y ago
    You are a part of society. If something is bad for society, it will, in the long run, be bad for you.
    - gbrown 5y ago
      Not to mention, if living your ideals is an important part of your own utility function, then yeah - it can be best for you even if it comes with other compromises.
      - mavhc 5y ago
        Ideals are just long term benefits
        Majestic121 5y ago
        If you sacrifice yourself to have an orphan out of an Ideal of selflessness or protection of the weak, the idea of benefits doesn't make sense since you'll never reap those benefits, being dead and all. If you look at the individual level, with a purely rational 'Homo economicus' rational actor, ideals don't make a lot of sense.
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Aleatoire24 5y ago
Brave do less home call. And by home call for Firefox, I don't even mean Mozilla, but Google. And giving they don't care about they use opiniouns they should just shutdown the telemetry. (It's funny to see a download link for Firefox at the end of this article, look like they are desperate.)
- asddubs 5y ago
  I mean it's marketing material, of course there's a download link at the bottom
- approxim8ion 5y ago
  > look like they are desperate They should be. I'd be happy to see more desperation from them if it means more users, more investment (not from Google), and more chances at staying afloat.
username91 5y ago
This is extremely outdated.
progx 5y ago
Brafox or Firerave
approxim8ion 5y ago
This seems to be aimed at a very general audience. Otherwise it would have mentioned actually great features like Containers.
- bendotero 5y ago
  Probably the best feature, imo, along with dev tools. I still use Brave and Safari Technology Preview on occasion, but reach for FF periodically because of the dev tools.
- lostmsu 5y ago
  I actually ended up using profiles (the way Chromium-based browsers do isolation) over containers. For my purposes it is nicer to have separate windows. For many sites I create a profile, then open that site in it, and "install as app" for even more convenience. The only thing I used containers for was mixing personal and work stuff in one window.
rlopezcc 5y ago
Brave always looked shady to me. Even inoring that I don't like Brendan for personal reasons. There is something nauseating about using "privacy" and other nice-sounding words to pump your own crypto-currency. I may be misunderstanding things here, I'm open to positive arguments about this.
- throwaway78981 5y ago
  Some links supporting this view: [1] https://github.com/lobsters/lobsters/issues/761 https://github.com/lobsters/lobsters/issues/761 [2] https://github.com/lobsters/lobsters-ansible/issues/45 https://github.com/lobsters/lobsters-ansible/issues/45 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18734999 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18734999 [4] https://web.archive.org/web/20181221180137if_/https://twitter.com/tomscott/status/1076160882873380870 https://web.archive.org/web/20181221180137if_/https://twitte... [5] https://web.archive.org/web/20181221231556if_/https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1076187316748615680 https://web.archive.org/web/20181221231556if_/https://twitte... [6] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27549604 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27549604 [7] https://slate.com/technology/2014/04/brendan-eich-why-mozilla-s-ceo-had-to-resign-over-gay-marriage-views.html https://slate.com/technology/2014/04/brendan-eich-why-mozill...
- pixelgeek 5y ago
  It might not be a popular opinion but I just assume that anything having to do with crypto is a scam. Browsers included
  - celsoazevedo 5y ago
    You had a bad experience or have a negative view of X, therefore everything associated with X is automatically bad? Brave is a browser. You can use it as a Chrome replacement without Google stuff. Optionally, you can also enable the crypto stuff if you want to see ads and be paid a few bucks for that. Brave Rewards for sites/creators... you don't have to claim the money (I do, eg: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27598202 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27598202 ). Any manual or automatic donations are refunded if you don't claim the money (after 3 months, I think). They don't keep that money. Some will say that blocking ads and then using Brave Ads is "blackmail". Well, the adblocking part isn't anything new. Firefox, Edge, Opera, and... Brave block ads by default. Users are already blocking ads, so I see this a different way to get revenue from users that block ads, but want to support me. Now, the crypto currency itself. I don't care about it. I receive BAT, convert it to my local currency and then use it to pay for stuff. It's the same as receiving a payment in a different currency. Of course you can go on and play with crypto on some exchange, just like you can do the same with currencies that you trust, but that's unrelated to the browser and the cryptocurrency itself. It may change in the future, but right now, I don't see any scam here. (I use Firefox as my main browser and Brave as backup/when there's a compatibility issue.)
intelMgmntEnema 5y ago
Assuming Android is the most common usage platform for FF, one can't even use their choice of DNS. The DoH feature uses cloudflare and overrides system configs and without about:config, there's no way to change it. This isn't good compared to anything. It just sucks. FF's concept of user benefit is restriction. How many users are now enjoying a better world because they can no longer save a webpage to PDF? Fellow frogs, you're being boiled.
- timbit42 5y ago
  According to Mozilla, they have 200 million monthly active users. According to Google Play Store, there are 100 million installs. How many Android installs are used? Half? I'd suggest there are 2 or 3 times more desktop users of Firefox than Android.
  - intelMgmntEnema 5y ago
    Correction accepted. Throwing 1/3 of the population to the gutter seems in alignment with the American way. Assuming once again, you appear to disagree not with my principles, but with a numerical error. I guess it's standard collateral damage in the quest for easy money. I sometimes forget that this is praiseworthy to many here.
arepublicadoceu 5y ago
I've just created a new Firefox profile here, let's record my experience: 1. Oh great, [x] sponsored shortcuts 2. How helpful, Mozilla ticked the following boxes for me: [x] Allow Firefox to send technical and interaction data to Mozilla [x] Allow Firefox to make personalized extension recommendations [x] Allow Firefox to install and run studies 3. Wait, what is this pocket icon thing on my interface? Right click / customize toolbar / drag it out of the way 4. Oh nice, customization menu! It allows me to change the UI density that, honestly, is too big for my 720p screen. Ouch, there's no way to make things smaller, only increase, I guess. 5. Let's continue to dig deeper into the settings: [x] Recommend extensions as you browse [x] Recommend features as you browse It's an uphill battle against the only player worth(?) supporting. Let's do the same with Brave: 1. Hide Widgets {FTX,crypto,binance,Brave Rewards} 2. Customize [ ] Show sponsored images 3. [ ] Automatically send daily usage ping to Brave 4. Settings [x] Hide Brave Rewards button To be fair, Brave doesn't have telemetry enabled by default on my system, but that's about it. I'm more and more alienated by the web and web browsers. Which is a good thing as it annoys me out of these infinite pool’s portals.
chuckdotis 5y ago
Both Firefox and Brave are pretty terrible out of the box. Firefox with it's Pocket integration and promoted stories on a new tab by default has always urked me. Brave has always rubbed me the wrong way with it's BAT crypto. However, despite these issues, I use Firefox as my daily browser for personal stuff and Brave for work (I need a Chromium-based browser).
- me_me_me 5y ago
  I never quite got this line of thinking. "This product doesn't come the way I want it, so its bad" Then change it once and thats it. I have my firefox like I want it, saved profile and now even on new machine i can have my firefox experience. Why dont people complain that their IDE doesnt come with the font and colour scheme that they like?

39 points by KoftaBob 5y ago

Mozilla offers an unbiased comparison ? I call BS. . . ."Overall, Brave is a fast and secure browser that will have particular appeal to cryptocurrency users. But for the vast majority of internet citizens, Firefox remains a better and simpler solution."

aquova 5y ago

> There are a few security features in Brave worth highlighting, such as its automatic HTTPS connection upgrades (which Firefox also offers by extension) This information is a bit outdated, Firefox has offered HTTPS mode built-in for a few versions now.

cute_boi 5y ago
its obviously old because it uses firefox 81 or 82 as per the article. Probably 1 year old firefox.

gbil 5y ago

Quoting from the page: "The comparisons made here were done so with default settings and across browser release versions as follows: Firefox (81) | Brave (1.14.81) This page is updated semi-quarterly to reflect latest versioning and may not always reflect latest updates." This is for sure not true, Firefox 81 was released more than a year ago

neilsimp1 5y ago

I feel like choosing a browser is like choosing a political candidate (US) - I don't choose the one that I like, I choose the one that is least bad. FF is still the least bad.

dotcoma 5y ago

I can’t believe that neither can do decent bookmarks.

scaglio 5y ago
Any suggestions/extension for better bookmarks management?
- Steltek 5y ago
  I've given up on the built-in bookmarks in all browsers and even the New Tab page. I wrote up a single file HTML page and checked it into my dotfiles repos. Icons are short data urls of SVG with a hover drop down (like Reddit and various subreddits). I like that it's "self hosted" and not some 3rd party site. I have hundreds of bookmarks, all neatly categorized, compared to the New Tab page's paltry 16 or whatever. I also get the exact same page in Firefox (personal), Chrome (work), or Firefox/Android. It sounded silly at first but now I can't live without it.
  - ravenstine 5y ago
    Are you saying you have your new-tab page set to a `file://` URL that points to an HTML file? If so, that's a pretty excellent idea. :D
    - Steltek 5y ago
      Yes but a little more complicated than that. You need an add-on, as the old "homepage" preferences seem to have gone by the wayside or don't work as expected.
  - slightwinder 5y ago
    Isn't that awful to maintain?
- rytcio 5y ago
  I use https://www.raindrop.io https://www.raindrop.io
- throwaway78981 5y ago
  Pinboard is a good one. You can even upload PDFs etc and search the text within the PDF. Paid though. It's cheap. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinboard_(website) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinboard_(website) Desktop site: https://pinboard.in/ https://pinboard.in/ Mobile site: https://m.pinboard.in/ https://m.pinboard.in/ iOS/iPadOS/macOS app: https://get-pins.app/ https://get-pins.app/

asddubs 5y ago

interesting they're linking adblock plus rather than ublock origin

throwaway78981 5y ago
Yeah. So irritating. Adblock Plus is owned by Eyeo GmbH which supposedly earns millions through it's 'acceptable ads' program. [1] https://nitter.mailstation.de/gorhill/search?f=tweets&q=%22eyeo%22 https://nitter.mailstation.de/gorhill/search?f=tweets&q=%22e... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adblock_Plus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adblock_Plus [3] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=%22eyeo%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... Edit: Just use 'Ublock Origin' instead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBlock_Origin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBlock_Origin
- blendergeek 5y ago
  > Adblock Plus is owned by Eyeo GmbH which supposedly earns millions through it's 'acceptable ads' program. That is not wild speculation but rather the official narrative from Adblock Plus. Their main revenue stream is the acceptable ads program [1]. In order to see if they make "millions", I am also linking their financial statements from the Company Register in Germany [2]. Please note that this document is in German and I read it using machine translation software. [1] https://adblockplus.org/en/about#monetization https://adblockplus.org/en/about#monetization [2] https://www.unternehmensregister.de/ureg/result.html;jsessionid=A3AA231A312D4DB40CD8DF4E83E13630.web01-1?submitaction=showDocument&id=26124197 https://www.unternehmensregister.de/ureg/result.html;jsessio...
  - throwaway78981 5y ago
    So, are they making millions?
    - blendergeek 5y ago
      I believe so. But I dont read German very well and I don't trust Google Translate so I am not ruling on that claim.

JohnBooty 5y ago

"Turns out, Mozilla Firefox is better" -- Mozilla

deepsun 5y ago
Still, big products rarely want to mention their smaller competitors, to not draw attention to them. That Mozilla post is a very good favor for Brave. Kudos to Mozilla!
- smoldesu 5y ago
  Brave isn't a competitor with Firefox. Firefox is a browser, Brave is a crypto wallet/ethical ad aggregator/adblock/DNS/video-calling system/compensation network/social/IPFS viewer. You're welcome to choose for yourself, but I typically grab Firefox when I just want to browse the web.
  - approxim8ion 5y ago
    > Firefox is a browser, Brave is a ... Yes. But to most people, they're both browsers. So it really doesn't matter.
  - celsoazevedo 5y ago
    I have both Firefox and Brave installed (currently typing this on Firefox). I use Brave because it's Chromium without Google's stuff, fairly fast updates, supports extensions from the official store, etc. All other stuff is disabled... I use it as a browser.
    - smoldesu 5y ago
      I have a similar setup, except I use Ungoogled Chromium as my Chrome browser. You could achieve similar results by stripping Brave of it's featureset, but it's easier for me since I can automate the process of installing Chromium on my desktop. I'm glad you seem to get it though. My comment wasn't intended as a jab at Brave's featureset, but rather to point out that they ship as completely different utilities. As someone who already has utilities for what it offers, it's hard to fit Brave into my life. On top of that, it's also hard to trust that they won't introduce some radical feature that I won't like, since it's current state is one hell of a precedent for what a browser should look like. At the end of the day I err on the side of simplicity and security.

user764743 5y ago

They are not mentioning the most important reason for me. I think Firefox is better by default simply because I don't want to help contribute to Google's chromium/blink hegemony over the web.

toastal 5y ago
Not disagreeing, but the question is better for ‘you’, not better for society or the internet. Lotta people (sadly) don’t know or care about rendering and JavaScript engines. That said, the weirdest thing about Brave is that the BAT stuff could likely have been implemented as a browser extension. The changes to Chromium the Brave team must now maintain choosing to fork a browser are because Google makes changes in the code base for the good of their business, not consumers.
- imgabe 5y ago
  You are a part of society. If something is bad for society, it will, in the long run, be bad for you.
  - gbrown 5y ago
    Not to mention, if living your ideals is an important part of your own utility function, then yeah - it can be best for you even if it comes with other compromises.
    - mavhc 5y ago
      Ideals are just long term benefits
      - Majestic121 5y ago
        If you sacrifice yourself to have an orphan out of an Ideal of selflessness or protection of the weak, the idea of benefits doesn't make sense since you'll never reap those benefits, being dead and all. If you look at the individual level, with a purely rational 'Homo economicus' rational actor, ideals don't make a lot of sense.

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Aleatoire24 5y ago

Brave do less home call. And by home call for Firefox, I don't even mean Mozilla, but Google. And giving they don't care about they use opiniouns they should just shutdown the telemetry. (It's funny to see a download link for Firefox at the end of this article, look like they are desperate.)

asddubs 5y ago
I mean it's marketing material, of course there's a download link at the bottom
approxim8ion 5y ago
> look like they are desperate They should be. I'd be happy to see more desperation from them if it means more users, more investment (not from Google), and more chances at staying afloat.

username91 5y ago

This is extremely outdated.

progx 5y ago

Brafox or Firerave

approxim8ion 5y ago

This seems to be aimed at a very general audience. Otherwise it would have mentioned actually great features like Containers.

bendotero 5y ago
Probably the best feature, imo, along with dev tools. I still use Brave and Safari Technology Preview on occasion, but reach for FF periodically because of the dev tools.
lostmsu 5y ago
I actually ended up using profiles (the way Chromium-based browsers do isolation) over containers. For my purposes it is nicer to have separate windows. For many sites I create a profile, then open that site in it, and "install as app" for even more convenience. The only thing I used containers for was mixing personal and work stuff in one window.

rlopezcc 5y ago

Brave always looked shady to me. Even inoring that I don't like Brendan for personal reasons. There is something nauseating about using "privacy" and other nice-sounding words to pump your own crypto-currency. I may be misunderstanding things here, I'm open to positive arguments about this.

throwaway78981 5y ago
Some links supporting this view: [1] https://github.com/lobsters/lobsters/issues/761 https://github.com/lobsters/lobsters/issues/761 [2] https://github.com/lobsters/lobsters-ansible/issues/45 https://github.com/lobsters/lobsters-ansible/issues/45 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18734999 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18734999 [4] https://web.archive.org/web/20181221180137if_/https://twitter.com/tomscott/status/1076160882873380870 https://web.archive.org/web/20181221180137if_/https://twitte... [5] https://web.archive.org/web/20181221231556if_/https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1076187316748615680 https://web.archive.org/web/20181221231556if_/https://twitte... [6] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27549604 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27549604 [7] https://slate.com/technology/2014/04/brendan-eich-why-mozilla-s-ceo-had-to-resign-over-gay-marriage-views.html https://slate.com/technology/2014/04/brendan-eich-why-mozill...
pixelgeek 5y ago
It might not be a popular opinion but I just assume that anything having to do with crypto is a scam. Browsers included
- celsoazevedo 5y ago
  You had a bad experience or have a negative view of X, therefore everything associated with X is automatically bad? Brave is a browser. You can use it as a Chrome replacement without Google stuff. Optionally, you can also enable the crypto stuff if you want to see ads and be paid a few bucks for that. Brave Rewards for sites/creators... you don't have to claim the money (I do, eg: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27598202 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27598202 ). Any manual or automatic donations are refunded if you don't claim the money (after 3 months, I think). They don't keep that money. Some will say that blocking ads and then using Brave Ads is "blackmail". Well, the adblocking part isn't anything new. Firefox, Edge, Opera, and... Brave block ads by default. Users are already blocking ads, so I see this a different way to get revenue from users that block ads, but want to support me. Now, the crypto currency itself. I don't care about it. I receive BAT, convert it to my local currency and then use it to pay for stuff. It's the same as receiving a payment in a different currency. Of course you can go on and play with crypto on some exchange, just like you can do the same with currencies that you trust, but that's unrelated to the browser and the cryptocurrency itself. It may change in the future, but right now, I don't see any scam here. (I use Firefox as my main browser and Brave as backup/when there's a compatibility issue.)

intelMgmntEnema 5y ago

Assuming Android is the most common usage platform for FF, one can't even use their choice of DNS. The DoH feature uses cloudflare and overrides system configs and without about:config, there's no way to change it. This isn't good compared to anything. It just sucks. FF's concept of user benefit is restriction. How many users are now enjoying a better world because they can no longer save a webpage to PDF? Fellow frogs, you're being boiled.

timbit42 5y ago
According to Mozilla, they have 200 million monthly active users. According to Google Play Store, there are 100 million installs. How many Android installs are used? Half? I'd suggest there are 2 or 3 times more desktop users of Firefox than Android.
- intelMgmntEnema 5y ago
  Correction accepted. Throwing 1/3 of the population to the gutter seems in alignment with the American way. Assuming once again, you appear to disagree not with my principles, but with a numerical error. I guess it's standard collateral damage in the quest for easy money. I sometimes forget that this is praiseworthy to many here.

arepublicadoceu 5y ago

I've just created a new Firefox profile here, let's record my experience: 1. Oh great, [x] sponsored shortcuts 2. How helpful, Mozilla ticked the following boxes for me: [x] Allow Firefox to send technical and interaction data to Mozilla [x] Allow Firefox to make personalized extension recommendations [x] Allow Firefox to install and run studies 3. Wait, what is this pocket icon thing on my interface? Right click / customize toolbar / drag it out of the way 4. Oh nice, customization menu! It allows me to change the UI density that, honestly, is too big for my 720p screen. Ouch, there's no way to make things smaller, only increase, I guess. 5. Let's continue to dig deeper into the settings: [x] Recommend extensions as you browse [x] Recommend features as you browse It's an uphill battle against the only player worth(?) supporting. Let's do the same with Brave: 1. Hide Widgets {FTX,crypto,binance,Brave Rewards} 2. Customize [ ] Show sponsored images 3. [ ] Automatically send daily usage ping to Brave 4. Settings [x] Hide Brave Rewards button To be fair, Brave doesn't have telemetry enabled by default on my system, but that's about it. I'm more and more alienated by the web and web browsers. Which is a good thing as it annoys me out of these infinite pool’s portals.

chuckdotis 5y ago

Both Firefox and Brave are pretty terrible out of the box. Firefox with it's Pocket integration and promoted stories on a new tab by default has always urked me. Brave has always rubbed me the wrong way with it's BAT crypto. However, despite these issues, I use Firefox as my daily browser for personal stuff and Brave for work (I need a Chromium-based browser).

me_me_me 5y ago
I never quite got this line of thinking. "This product doesn't come the way I want it, so its bad" Then change it once and thats it. I have my firefox like I want it, saved profile and now even on new machine i can have my firefox experience. Why dont people complain that their IDE doesnt come with the font and colour scheme that they like?