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Rose city antifa in Portland has a website where they routinely harass people. Pray tell how disorganized people set up a hosting server, domain, and website?

klodolph 5y ago
"Somebody set up a website" is a pretty low bar, especially considering the number of tech workers in Portland. A lot of people get this wrong. "Antifa" is not a distinct organization but a label used both by individuals and organizations which are often unconnected. I see people on Twitter who just add "antifa" to their screen name. It doesn't mean that they've joined some organization. I'm guessing the RCA is a little bit more organized because neo-Nazi activity in Portland is a bit more organized and active. People who have never lived in Portland often think of the city as some kind of liberal haven, through the lens of Portlandia. The lived experience is quite different. Maybe think of it as San Francisco, with all the homelessness, but not as much tech. Then add a history of neo-Nazi violence, anti-government factions like ones behind the Malheur standoff, the Rajneeshpuram, etc. There's a reason why "Green Room" is set in Oregon.
- iammisc 5y ago
  As a brown man in Portland, I've never experienced these supposed neo Nazis. I have experienced being harassed by homeless African American men over being a non white married to a white woman though. Whatever though, my white overlords know more about racism than me and always have so I guess I'll just defer to their interpretation of my life...
  - klodolph 5y ago
    How long have you lived in Portland? The neo-nazis keep changing. If you lived in Portland in the 1990s you might have seen the Volksfront. If you go back another decade to the 1980s, you'd see skinheads, or read about them in the news. If you went to punk shows in Portland in the 1980s, you'd definitely know about neo-nazis. For some reason, this was poorly documented, and mostly forgotten. Neo-nazis don't live in Portland, for the most part, these days. They come in to stage protests. The symbology changes. You won't see many swastikas. Instead, there's a symbol of interlocking triangles, there's a couple norse runes, etc. There's usually some kind of plausible deniability that someone is a neo-nazi. It takes some level of research to learn how neo-nazis recognize each other, and it can sometimes be hard to tell if someone is wearing a symbol because they bought it unaware from a neo-nazi and thought it looked cool, or if they're wearing a symbol because they're a neo-nazi. I'm not denying your experience of living in Portland, but neither should you deny me my experience of living in Portland.

klodolph 5y ago

"Somebody set up a website" is a pretty low bar, especially considering the number of tech workers in Portland. A lot of people get this wrong. "Antifa" is not a distinct organization but a label used both by individuals and organizations which are often unconnected. I see people on Twitter who just add "antifa" to their screen name. It doesn't mean that they've joined some organization. I'm guessing the RCA is a little bit more organized because neo-Nazi activity in Portland is a bit more organized and active. People who have never lived in Portland often think of the city as some kind of liberal haven, through the lens of Portlandia. The lived experience is quite different. Maybe think of it as San Francisco, with all the homelessness, but not as much tech. Then add a history of neo-Nazi violence, anti-government factions like ones behind the Malheur standoff, the Rajneeshpuram, etc. There's a reason why "Green Room" is set in Oregon.

iammisc 5y ago
As a brown man in Portland, I've never experienced these supposed neo Nazis. I have experienced being harassed by homeless African American men over being a non white married to a white woman though. Whatever though, my white overlords know more about racism than me and always have so I guess I'll just defer to their interpretation of my life...
- klodolph 5y ago
  How long have you lived in Portland? The neo-nazis keep changing. If you lived in Portland in the 1990s you might have seen the Volksfront. If you go back another decade to the 1980s, you'd see skinheads, or read about them in the news. If you went to punk shows in Portland in the 1980s, you'd definitely know about neo-nazis. For some reason, this was poorly documented, and mostly forgotten. Neo-nazis don't live in Portland, for the most part, these days. They come in to stage protests. The symbology changes. You won't see many swastikas. Instead, there's a symbol of interlocking triangles, there's a couple norse runes, etc. There's usually some kind of plausible deniability that someone is a neo-nazi. It takes some level of research to learn how neo-nazis recognize each other, and it can sometimes be hard to tell if someone is wearing a symbol because they bought it unaware from a neo-nazi and thought it looked cool, or if they're wearing a symbol because they're a neo-nazi. I'm not denying your experience of living in Portland, but neither should you deny me my experience of living in Portland.