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The biggest conspiracy theory and insurrection attempt was the fake Russian conspiracy and the conspiracy to affect the election outcome conveniently described

The biggest conspiracy theory and insurrection attempt was the fake Russian conspiracy and the conspiracy to affect the election outcome conveniently described by time magazine. I'm completely uninterested in a ragtag group of curly haired shirtless weirdos who stormed congress. I am concerned about large corporations, rich interest groups and large multi media conglomerates that have actual power to affect political dialogue without any consequence. Why does every single article about Facebook manipulating data talk about the Jan 6 riot instead of the years long onslaught of fake news?

wesleywt 5y ago
Do you not care about people attacking your biggest symbol of power. Within in reach of many of your representatives. Driven by years of hate and misinformation? You should care. Russian interference is well documented by American intelligence agencies and private individuals.
- nyolfen 5y ago
  curious if you recall this https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/aerial-view-shows-fire-and-protests-near-white-house/2318884/ https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/aerial-view-shows-f...
- cybernautique 5y ago
  I think Jan 6 was a problem in its origin, not in its means or ends. As an American, I truly do not care about people attacking Congress, or the White House, or any politician, because they are not symbols of my power anymore than my local carwash or plumber is a symbol of my power. They are public servants, worthy of no more respect than the pizza delivery person (a lot less, actually, since the pizza delivery person is working to make a living). If they were attempting to overthrow actual despots, about whom everyone agreed something Must Be Done, the popular reaction would be much different. I think the current reaction is on the money: they are violent, idiotic, hooligans. But the ability to storm the capitol is a necessity.
- kcplate 5y ago
  Perhaps I am of the minority opinion, but I damn sure was never worried about a bunch of selfie-taking unarmed rednecks destroying the United States of America. My faith in this country goes a little deeper than that.
  - rocketpastsix 5y ago
    I wonder if your opinion would be different if those unarmed rednecks were able to get to Speaker Pelosi, Leader Schumer, Minority Leader McConnell or VP Pence? Those "unarmed rednecks" were able to do something not even the various armies of the Confederacy couldn't: get inside the capitol. People are not terrified enough, because this group of people saw they could do it and I have a strong feeling they will try again.
    - sk2020 5y ago
      Are you suggesting this country is better off with Nancy Pelosi or Mitch McConnel in it? Think about what you’re saying.
    - cavisne 5y ago
      The capitol is (normally) a public building. There is a sitting senator who has been arrested at a protest in the building. Likewise it was not long ago that the capitol was full of protesters accosting senators in the lead up the the supreme court pick. It's not meant to be a secure building that takes an army to get into.
    - vimy 5y ago
      I watched the live stream. The capitol police opened the barriers in front of the building to let them pass. They seemed friendly towards the protestors.
      - rocketpastsix 5y ago
        I agree, which should also be terrifying.
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- sk2020 5y ago
  Some people forcibly entered the Capitol to protest during Justice Kavanaugh’s nomination. A few people got arrested. Life went on. Personally, I think the mortal fear politically active leftists have of any sign of opposition, no matter how trivial, speaks volumes about how they feel about their own position.
- iammisc 5y ago
  No I think people should in fact focus their rioting towards politicians. That's much better than harassing or committing violence against your fellow citizens because of something your government did. For example if your government is oppressing you and your response is to burn your fellow citizens car dealership or vandalize their shop, that is less Noble then going after your government officials. I disagree with the Jan 6 rioters but they correctly targeted their efforts . On the other hand, blm Chicago called for looting private businesses, many of whom had even come out in support of their cause. BLM riots were drien by just as much misinformation. Studies show that progressives are way more likely to overestimate the number of minorities killed by police. A good portion of them believed tens of thousands were being killed a year. This number is way off. Conservatives were most likely to accurately estimate, although even they were skewed towards overestimating. And the Russia collusion narrative is a hoax. While Russia certainly has an interest in interfering with us, the claim was that trumps campaign directly aided them. That is false. It is provably false. Stop changing the goal posts. You yourself are spreading misinformation. Edit: and for the record, the federal government of the USA derives legitimacy from the people not buildings
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mdoms 5y ago
It's a perfectly legitimate concern and it's a shame you're being downvoted. Anyone who is concerned about fake news and misinformation should be appalled by the media's treatment of the bogus Russian interference story.
- mehphp 5y ago
  Didn’t the Senate Intelligence Committee release a bipartisan report that concluded Russia did indeed attempt interfere with our election? How was it a bogus story?
  - StanislavPetrov 5y ago
    The Committee did indeed release a bipartisan report making those assertions. Their assertions were bogus because no evidence is cited anywhere in the report. Claims of secret evidence are not evidence.
    - ineedasername 5y ago
      Considering the polarizing nature of the topic, it seems unlikely there would be a bipartisan agreement on the issue without classified intel to get people on both sides of the aisle behind it. That, of course, is not proof. But we have also had reports of activity traced back to Russia from other organizations. They could all be lying, but then that claim takes us strongly into the conspiracy theory territory at the same time that it runs afoul of the "lack of evidence" problem quite a bit more than alternative explanation.
      - cavisne 5y ago
        Its been 6 years and not a single US person has been charged in this alleged interference, just a bunch of charges against Russian nationals (which is much like charging Kim Jong Un with murder, itll never see a court). Who has been charged? Hillary Clintons lawyer for making it up https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/lawyer-firm-represented-clinton-campaign-indicted-special-counsel/story?id=80065406 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/lawyer-firm-represented-clin...
runarberg 5y ago
I thought that foreign manipulation of the 2016 election was well in fact documented. If you don’t believe that the Russian government interfered with the election, you must at least believe that a private company located in the UK did so. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Analytica_data_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Ana...
- StanislavPetrov 5y ago
  Unfortunately private companies and foreign governments from Tel Aviv to Dubai spent countless millions to influence our elections and buy our lawmakers.
- iammisc 5y ago
  Changing the goal posts. The claim was that the trump campaign directly participated in Russian efforts to interfere with the election, including direct collusion. This is a false claim despite the media spending years on it and Pulitzer prizes being awarded. The claims were made without evidence. The origins of the claim ... The Steele dossier... Is itself fake. I will cite the new York times. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/15/business/media/spooked-private-spies-news-media.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/15/business/media/spooked-pr... Quote: > Now the glow has faded — from both the dossier and its promoters. Russia, as Mr. Steele asserted, did try to influence the 2016 election. But many of the dossier’s most explosive claims — like a salacious “pee” tape featuring Mr. Trump or a supposed meeting in Prague between Michael Cohen, Mr. Trump’s former attorney, and Russian operatives — have never materialized or have been proved false. The founders of Alfa Bank, a major Russian financial institution, are suing Fusion GPS, claiming the firm libeled them. (Fusion has denied the claims.) Plans for a film based on Mr. Steele’s adventures appear dead. > > Beneath the dossier’s journey from media obsession to slush pile lies a broader and more troubling story. Today, private spying has boomed into a renegade, billion-dollar industry, one that is increasingly invading our privacy, profiting from deception and manipulating the news.
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mingus88 5y ago
It’s clear you didn’t read the entirety of the Muller report and instead have decided to echo summaries from your favorite echo chamber here. You also have failed to read any of the indictments that came from it which led to convictions well sourced with actual court admitted evidence and in some cases guilty pleas. But yes, please throw around the word fake as some weak dog whistle.
ineedasername 5y ago
Probably because the Jan 6th riot is one of the most recent and tangible outcomes of that years-long onslaught that set the stage for this sort of thing to happen.

wesleywt 5y ago

Do you not care about people attacking your biggest symbol of power. Within in reach of many of your representatives. Driven by years of hate and misinformation? You should care. Russian interference is well documented by American intelligence agencies and private individuals.

nyolfen 5y ago
curious if you recall this https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/aerial-view-shows-fire-and-protests-near-white-house/2318884/ https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/aerial-view-shows-f...
cybernautique 5y ago
I think Jan 6 was a problem in its origin, not in its means or ends. As an American, I truly do not care about people attacking Congress, or the White House, or any politician, because they are not symbols of my power anymore than my local carwash or plumber is a symbol of my power. They are public servants, worthy of no more respect than the pizza delivery person (a lot less, actually, since the pizza delivery person is working to make a living). If they were attempting to overthrow actual despots, about whom everyone agreed something Must Be Done, the popular reaction would be much different. I think the current reaction is on the money: they are violent, idiotic, hooligans. But the ability to storm the capitol is a necessity.
kcplate 5y ago
Perhaps I am of the minority opinion, but I damn sure was never worried about a bunch of selfie-taking unarmed rednecks destroying the United States of America. My faith in this country goes a little deeper than that.
- rocketpastsix 5y ago
  I wonder if your opinion would be different if those unarmed rednecks were able to get to Speaker Pelosi, Leader Schumer, Minority Leader McConnell or VP Pence? Those "unarmed rednecks" were able to do something not even the various armies of the Confederacy couldn't: get inside the capitol. People are not terrified enough, because this group of people saw they could do it and I have a strong feeling they will try again.
  - sk2020 5y ago
    Are you suggesting this country is better off with Nancy Pelosi or Mitch McConnel in it? Think about what you’re saying.
  - cavisne 5y ago
    The capitol is (normally) a public building. There is a sitting senator who has been arrested at a protest in the building. Likewise it was not long ago that the capitol was full of protesters accosting senators in the lead up the the supreme court pick. It's not meant to be a secure building that takes an army to get into.
  - vimy 5y ago
    I watched the live stream. The capitol police opened the barriers in front of the building to let them pass. They seemed friendly towards the protestors.
    - rocketpastsix 5y ago
      I agree, which should also be terrifying.
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sk2020 5y ago
Some people forcibly entered the Capitol to protest during Justice Kavanaugh’s nomination. A few people got arrested. Life went on. Personally, I think the mortal fear politically active leftists have of any sign of opposition, no matter how trivial, speaks volumes about how they feel about their own position.
iammisc 5y ago
No I think people should in fact focus their rioting towards politicians. That's much better than harassing or committing violence against your fellow citizens because of something your government did. For example if your government is oppressing you and your response is to burn your fellow citizens car dealership or vandalize their shop, that is less Noble then going after your government officials. I disagree with the Jan 6 rioters but they correctly targeted their efforts . On the other hand, blm Chicago called for looting private businesses, many of whom had even come out in support of their cause. BLM riots were drien by just as much misinformation. Studies show that progressives are way more likely to overestimate the number of minorities killed by police. A good portion of them believed tens of thousands were being killed a year. This number is way off. Conservatives were most likely to accurately estimate, although even they were skewed towards overestimating. And the Russia collusion narrative is a hoax. While Russia certainly has an interest in interfering with us, the claim was that trumps campaign directly aided them. That is false. It is provably false. Stop changing the goal posts. You yourself are spreading misinformation. Edit: and for the record, the federal government of the USA derives legitimacy from the people not buildings

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mdoms 5y ago

It's a perfectly legitimate concern and it's a shame you're being downvoted. Anyone who is concerned about fake news and misinformation should be appalled by the media's treatment of the bogus Russian interference story.

mehphp 5y ago
Didn’t the Senate Intelligence Committee release a bipartisan report that concluded Russia did indeed attempt interfere with our election? How was it a bogus story?
- StanislavPetrov 5y ago
  The Committee did indeed release a bipartisan report making those assertions. Their assertions were bogus because no evidence is cited anywhere in the report. Claims of secret evidence are not evidence.
  - ineedasername 5y ago
    Considering the polarizing nature of the topic, it seems unlikely there would be a bipartisan agreement on the issue without classified intel to get people on both sides of the aisle behind it. That, of course, is not proof. But we have also had reports of activity traced back to Russia from other organizations. They could all be lying, but then that claim takes us strongly into the conspiracy theory territory at the same time that it runs afoul of the "lack of evidence" problem quite a bit more than alternative explanation.
    - cavisne 5y ago
      Its been 6 years and not a single US person has been charged in this alleged interference, just a bunch of charges against Russian nationals (which is much like charging Kim Jong Un with murder, itll never see a court). Who has been charged? Hillary Clintons lawyer for making it up https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/lawyer-firm-represented-clinton-campaign-indicted-special-counsel/story?id=80065406 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/lawyer-firm-represented-clin...

runarberg 5y ago

I thought that foreign manipulation of the 2016 election was well in fact documented. If you don’t believe that the Russian government interfered with the election, you must at least believe that a private company located in the UK did so. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Analytica_data_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Ana...

StanislavPetrov 5y ago
Unfortunately private companies and foreign governments from Tel Aviv to Dubai spent countless millions to influence our elections and buy our lawmakers.
iammisc 5y ago
Changing the goal posts. The claim was that the trump campaign directly participated in Russian efforts to interfere with the election, including direct collusion. This is a false claim despite the media spending years on it and Pulitzer prizes being awarded. The claims were made without evidence. The origins of the claim ... The Steele dossier... Is itself fake. I will cite the new York times. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/15/business/media/spooked-private-spies-news-media.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/15/business/media/spooked-pr... Quote: > Now the glow has faded — from both the dossier and its promoters. Russia, as Mr. Steele asserted, did try to influence the 2016 election. But many of the dossier’s most explosive claims — like a salacious “pee” tape featuring Mr. Trump or a supposed meeting in Prague between Michael Cohen, Mr. Trump’s former attorney, and Russian operatives — have never materialized or have been proved false. The founders of Alfa Bank, a major Russian financial institution, are suing Fusion GPS, claiming the firm libeled them. (Fusion has denied the claims.) Plans for a film based on Mr. Steele’s adventures appear dead. > > Beneath the dossier’s journey from media obsession to slush pile lies a broader and more troubling story. Today, private spying has boomed into a renegade, billion-dollar industry, one that is increasingly invading our privacy, profiting from deception and manipulating the news.

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mingus88 5y ago

It’s clear you didn’t read the entirety of the Muller report and instead have decided to echo summaries from your favorite echo chamber here. You also have failed to read any of the indictments that came from it which led to convictions well sourced with actual court admitted evidence and in some cases guilty pleas. But yes, please throw around the word fake as some weak dog whistle.

ineedasername 5y ago

Probably because the Jan 6th riot is one of the most recent and tangible outcomes of that years-long onslaught that set the stage for this sort of thing to happen.