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It's probably an evolutionary adaptation. Whenever we humans find something unique or special, we either take it and store it somewhere safe or mark it on a ma

It's probably an evolutionary adaptation. Whenever we humans find something unique or special, we either take it and store it somewhere safe or mark it on a map. The prehistoric individuals who did that would be more likely to happen to have just the right thing for surprise challenges. They would then have an advantage over those who didn't care about special things, because by definition they're hard to come by. And those surprise challenges often have asymmetric upside for those who have a solution, because everyone else is desperate for a solution or because they can solve the problem drastically more efficiently than everyone else. At the same time, mundane things aren't worth collecting because it's easy for anyone to go out and get it, so there exists no advantage for the collector. Therefore, if individuals who collected rare things ended up with more resources, power, and the resulting reproductive success, it also makes sense that young humans would do the same early on and that collecting rare things regardless of their utility is one of the most important status signals.

h2odragon 5y ago
I will tell my wife, next time she asks, that my pile of electronic junk will lead to us and our offspring having "more resources, power, and the resulting reproductive success." Wish me luck.
- anonporridge 5y ago
  RIP your penis, player.
  - SamPatt 5y ago
    In our current society being technologically adept probably does get you more luck with women over a lifetime than most professions. While a hoard of electronics may not have an instant connection to status like a fancy car, it's probably correlated to other attributes which are rapidly become more more valued.
    - anonporridge 5y ago
      Reading this over the cacophony of panties dropping was a challenge.
vkou 5y ago
> Whenever we humans find something unique or special, we either take it and store it somewhere safe or mark it on a map. The prehistoric individuals who did that would be more likely to happen to have just the right thing for surprise challenges. They would then have an advantage over those who didn't care about special things, because by definition they're hard to come by. And those surprise challenges often have asymmetric upside for those who have a solution, because everyone else is desperate for a solution or because they can solve the problem drastically more efficiently that everyone else. This is a beautiful story, but I can draft an equally beautiful, completely contradictory[1] story about how prehistoric individuals that wasted time collecting cool but useless rocks were less likely to have just the right thing for surprise challenges, because they directed their efforts towards hoarding useless bling. [2] Here's my explanation - and bear with me, here. Some people collect weird things. That trait sometimes does, and sometimes does not result in an evolutionary or cultural advantage. Making definitive statements about where this set of weird things falls on the spectrum above is just blindly guessing in the dark. [1] Which is why beautiful, hand-wavy stories that explain the behaviour of people tens of thousands of years dead are largely useless for understanding that behaviour. [2] If I were given the choice between asking for help dealing with a surprise challenge, and my options were two people, one of whom I know collects Funko Pops, and the other one does not, knowing nothing else about those individuals, I'm not going to bias my selection towards the former.
- anonporridge 5y ago
  Sure, except your story doesn't any explanatory power for unusual modern day behavior, so it's not actually that beautiful. If your story is true, then you would expect the trait of collecting useless bling to have died out a long time ago, or at least not be as prevalent as it is today. And by the way, you could extend my story to not just being about collecting lots of physical things, but also seemingly useless information and skills. Rare knowledge and rare abilities aren't a huge leap from rare physical resources.
  - vkou 5y ago
    > Sure, except your story doesn't any explanatory power for unusual modern day behavior, so it's not actually that beautiful. Sure it does. The explanatory power is that not all human traits have a strong impact on evolutionary fitness, either on the individual level, or on the social level. Unless conclusively demonstrated otherwise (which a story composed post-facto is not), this is all meaningless noise. The first thing about knowing something is being clear about the limitations of that knowledge. Just-so stories have no such limitation, which is why they come up so often as unfalsifiable nonsense. They can explain everything and anything, and therefore, explain nothing. All they are is a vehicle for repeating the biases of the storyteller.

h2odragon 5y ago

I will tell my wife, next time she asks, that my pile of electronic junk will lead to us and our offspring having "more resources, power, and the resulting reproductive success." Wish me luck.

anonporridge 5y ago
RIP your penis, player.
- SamPatt 5y ago
  In our current society being technologically adept probably does get you more luck with women over a lifetime than most professions. While a hoard of electronics may not have an instant connection to status like a fancy car, it's probably correlated to other attributes which are rapidly become more more valued.
  - anonporridge 5y ago
    Reading this over the cacophony of panties dropping was a challenge.

vkou 5y ago

> Whenever we humans find something unique or special, we either take it and store it somewhere safe or mark it on a map. The prehistoric individuals who did that would be more likely to happen to have just the right thing for surprise challenges. They would then have an advantage over those who didn't care about special things, because by definition they're hard to come by. And those surprise challenges often have asymmetric upside for those who have a solution, because everyone else is desperate for a solution or because they can solve the problem drastically more efficiently that everyone else. This is a beautiful story, but I can draft an equally beautiful, completely contradictory[1] story about how prehistoric individuals that wasted time collecting cool but useless rocks were less likely to have just the right thing for surprise challenges, because they directed their efforts towards hoarding useless bling. [2] Here's my explanation - and bear with me, here. Some people collect weird things. That trait sometimes does, and sometimes does not result in an evolutionary or cultural advantage. Making definitive statements about where this set of weird things falls on the spectrum above is just blindly guessing in the dark. [1] Which is why beautiful, hand-wavy stories that explain the behaviour of people tens of thousands of years dead are largely useless for understanding that behaviour. [2] If I were given the choice between asking for help dealing with a surprise challenge, and my options were two people, one of whom I know collects Funko Pops, and the other one does not, knowing nothing else about those individuals, I'm not going to bias my selection towards the former.

anonporridge 5y ago
Sure, except your story doesn't any explanatory power for unusual modern day behavior, so it's not actually that beautiful. If your story is true, then you would expect the trait of collecting useless bling to have died out a long time ago, or at least not be as prevalent as it is today. And by the way, you could extend my story to not just being about collecting lots of physical things, but also seemingly useless information and skills. Rare knowledge and rare abilities aren't a huge leap from rare physical resources.
- vkou 5y ago
  > Sure, except your story doesn't any explanatory power for unusual modern day behavior, so it's not actually that beautiful. Sure it does. The explanatory power is that not all human traits have a strong impact on evolutionary fitness, either on the individual level, or on the social level. Unless conclusively demonstrated otherwise (which a story composed post-facto is not), this is all meaningless noise. The first thing about knowing something is being clear about the limitations of that knowledge. Just-so stories have no such limitation, which is why they come up so often as unfalsifiable nonsense. They can explain everything and anything, and therefore, explain nothing. All they are is a vehicle for repeating the biases of the storyteller.