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>The violence and chaos of the attack sent shockwaves throughout the US, and the rest of the world, and saw scores of people injured and five die. Stopped read

by noxer 5y ago

>The violence and chaos of the attack sent shockwaves throughout the US, and the rest of the world, and saw scores of people injured and five die. Stopped reading right there. I'm not even American and I know this has been debunked long time ago. There was only one person shot by capitol police who died as direct consequence of the storming. Some other people died because of self-inflicted body harm (overdosing for example) or entirely unrelated health issues. This is propaganda.

DarknessFalls 5y ago
Does it matter? There will people raiding through the Capitol with slip knots and plastic binders, ready to have a kangaroo court. I don't know how much of the footage you've watched, but it was anything but a peaceful protest. It was a violent uprising. It's just that the mob was mostly comprised of a bunch of fuckups, so they were fortunately unsuccessful in their attempt at insurrection.
- noxer 5y ago
  >Does it matter? Yes it does, it makes the difference between journalism and propaganda. If you dont care about the truth I cant help you.
- iammisc 5y ago
  Yes the truth matters. Why is this even a question?
- helloworld11 5y ago
  And how would you define the months, literally months of BLM and etc protests in which many, many people participated in the burning of buildings, mass looting and other random destruction across a number of American cities before the Capitol uprising as you call it?
  - malermeister 5y ago
    I would define them as whataboutism.
    - helloworld11 5y ago
      Possibly there is a bit of that, but on your part as well (and from the numerous people who view this all the same as you). Because your answer also implicitly says "I'd rather ignore these much larger, very serious and fundamentally serious things completely because they don't fit with my need to hysterically focus on Trump and any example of similar violence from any supporters of the right. Much of the rhetoric from the left-led violence that stemmed from the BLM protests prior to the one single Capitol riot was also rife with calls for radical overthrows of established power. Personally, I sympathize with much of that anger, much more than I do with the people who supported Trump during the much smaller Jan 6th riot, but it's a good idea to at least keep the ideological blinders off when analyzing either..
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supercanuck 5y ago
>This is propaganda. For those interested in a counter point, since I was curious based on this comment. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/who-died-in-capitol-building-attack.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/who-died-in-capitol-bu...
- noxer 5y ago
  Says Published Jan. 11, 2021. Its part of the initial reporting on the event and full of wrong information even with the updated section that still says 5 people died because of it while it fact it was only one. Brian Sicknick died of a stroke the day after the event. 2 men were charged for assaulting him no one was charged for causing his death. The NYT post says he died of his injuries. Ashli Babbitt was fatally shot by capitol police Michael Leroy Byrd. Kevin Greeson suffered a heat attack at the rally before the capitol was even stormed. There is no sign he participated or was involved any illegal activities nor that his death was related to it. He was apparently very passionate about political events, he attended and celebrated Obama inauguration in 2009. Rosanne Boyland died of an amphetamine overdose was apparently involved in a stampede like situation which the NYT post still says is the reason for her death. Benjamin Philips died from coronary heart disease no sign that he was involved with rioting or any illegal activities. The NYT post falsely reports that he died of a stroke. The NYT post is outdated and should be marked as such but it represents information available from that time. However the parent article from The Guardian is from yesterday, no excuse there to spread long known false information. Its defensively intentional and therefore by definitely propaganda and not journalism.

by noxer 5y ago

DarknessFalls 5y ago

Does it matter? There will people raiding through the Capitol with slip knots and plastic binders, ready to have a kangaroo court. I don't know how much of the footage you've watched, but it was anything but a peaceful protest. It was a violent uprising. It's just that the mob was mostly comprised of a bunch of fuckups, so they were fortunately unsuccessful in their attempt at insurrection.

noxer 5y ago
>Does it matter? Yes it does, it makes the difference between journalism and propaganda. If you dont care about the truth I cant help you.
iammisc 5y ago
Yes the truth matters. Why is this even a question?
helloworld11 5y ago
And how would you define the months, literally months of BLM and etc protests in which many, many people participated in the burning of buildings, mass looting and other random destruction across a number of American cities before the Capitol uprising as you call it?
- malermeister 5y ago
  I would define them as whataboutism.
  - helloworld11 5y ago
    Possibly there is a bit of that, but on your part as well (and from the numerous people who view this all the same as you). Because your answer also implicitly says "I'd rather ignore these much larger, very serious and fundamentally serious things completely because they don't fit with my need to hysterically focus on Trump and any example of similar violence from any supporters of the right. Much of the rhetoric from the left-led violence that stemmed from the BLM protests prior to the one single Capitol riot was also rife with calls for radical overthrows of established power. Personally, I sympathize with much of that anger, much more than I do with the people who supported Trump during the much smaller Jan 6th riot, but it's a good idea to at least keep the ideological blinders off when analyzing either..
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supercanuck 5y ago

>This is propaganda. For those interested in a counter point, since I was curious based on this comment. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/who-died-in-capitol-building-attack.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/who-died-in-capitol-bu...

noxer 5y ago
Says Published Jan. 11, 2021. Its part of the initial reporting on the event and full of wrong information even with the updated section that still says 5 people died because of it while it fact it was only one. Brian Sicknick died of a stroke the day after the event. 2 men were charged for assaulting him no one was charged for causing his death. The NYT post says he died of his injuries. Ashli Babbitt was fatally shot by capitol police Michael Leroy Byrd. Kevin Greeson suffered a heat attack at the rally before the capitol was even stormed. There is no sign he participated or was involved any illegal activities nor that his death was related to it. He was apparently very passionate about political events, he attended and celebrated Obama inauguration in 2009. Rosanne Boyland died of an amphetamine overdose was apparently involved in a stampede like situation which the NYT post still says is the reason for her death. Benjamin Philips died from coronary heart disease no sign that he was involved with rioting or any illegal activities. The NYT post falsely reports that he died of a stroke. The NYT post is outdated and should be marked as such but it represents information available from that time. However the parent article from The Guardian is from yesterday, no excuse there to spread long known false information. Its defensively intentional and therefore by definitely propaganda and not journalism.