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"who gets to define what "intelligence" means and how it is measured?" "best ones to use to determine academic success, or are they arbitrary" "defined it
by fighterpilot 5y ago
"who gets to define what "intelligence" means and how it is measured?"
"best ones to use to determine academic success, or are they arbitrary"
"defined it to mean just what they like"
Intelligence is not arbitrary. It's been studied extensively in the psychometric literature as a construct that strongly predicts numerous outcomes including academic success and job performance. The SAT and its relationship to intelligence has also been studied.
If we're selecting people who are going to lead the country or who are going to be making the next physics breakthrough, the criteria for that had better be strongly grounded in intelligence and it had better be evidence based (to the best of our knowledge/abilities).
It's also untrue that they define it to mean what they like. The shift to somewhat more meritocratic admission decisions by considering the SATs has displaced the old boys club of WASP legacy admits and threatened to replace them with a second-generation Asian cohort. The only thing stopping full on replacement is racial quotas. This has been very bad for their status and it will only get worse if the shift to meritocracy continues. The establishment has always fought against meritocracy. The Jews were systematically excluded on a racial basis for a long time because of it. They would like nothing more than to prolong the status quo of blood, money, fame and connections leading to appointments.
Why did President Xi's daughter and Obama's daughter get admitted, were they brilliant or more likely merely the children of the famous and powerful?
Proponents of merit just believe that it's better for society (both for its prosperity and fairness) for the next Von Neumann or Ramanujan to be admitted instead.
"By what criteria are character and capability for leadership determined, and why?"
I don't know. The specifics of the criteria are not interesting to me, because reasonable people can disagree on the details. The mindset and overall aspiration is what I am interested in. I know the dimensions that I want them to consider (competence) and those I want them to ignore (race). Exactly how they weigh up and measure the former is an implementation detail. Not without risk of bias, mind you, but then again the same can be said for any criteria.
"In any case, the term of "meritocracy" is not a positive one."
I wasn't aware of that etymology, but if the author tried to frame it as a dystopia, then I disagree with that.
Companies and governments need to be organized hierarchically in order to function. That means you're going to have to pick some way to sort people. If they think competence and intelligence is a bad way to pick that hierarchy, then what superior method are they proposing that won't lead to a worsening of the effectiveness of these orgs? Are they seriously proposing that not choosing hierarchies based on competence will lead to better-run orgs? That appointing people with 80 IQ to run our large companies will lead to any kind of outcome that isn't a disaster? That kids with 80 IQ can be sent to the Math Olympiad and win a medal?
- cratermoon 5y ago> The SAT and its relationship to intelligence has also been studied. Yes. The SAT is a poor measure of general intelligence, but correlates pretty well with socioeconomic status.
- fighterpilot 5y agoThat's false. It's correlated very highly with intelligence. Moreover I'm not mounting a defence of the SAT here. I'm mounting a defence of meritocracy. I was merely pointing out that the SAT is the most meritocratic aspect of current admissions procedures given its very high correlation with intelligence, even if it is imperfect.