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> Naturally this means nothing for the ruling class and is devastating to the middle and lower classes. People are getting refunded: > Each resident in Austri
by throw0101a 5y ago
> Naturally this means nothing for the ruling class and is devastating to the middle and lower classes.
People are getting refunded:
> Each resident in Austria will get an annual reimbursement, with the exact amount determined by where they live to ensure those in rural regions without good public transport don’t lose out. Children are entitled to half their parents’ amount — so a family of two adults and two children in Vienna could expect to get 300 euros ($358) for example.
The price on carbon is simply a price signal to show how much damage the environment something is doing. Presumably people will switch to cheaper, i.e., less damaging, goods and services.
Carbon pricing being regressive is by no means a foregone conclusion:
> The literature on the distributional impacts of climate policies provides ambiguous results. Many studies find an overall tendency for regressive impacts (Araar et al. 2011; Gonzalez 2012). Others detect mostly regressive findings for developed countries while developing countries show an inconsistent picture with a tendency towards proportional or progressive impacts (Verde and Tol 2009; Wang et al. 2016). Nevertheless, progressive impacts have also been shown for developed countries like Australia (Sajeewani et al. 2015), Canada (Dissou and Siddiqui 2014) and Spain (Labandeira et al. 2009).
* https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10640-020-00521-1 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10640-020-00521-1
Implementation details matter, and there are ways for progressive results:
* https://taxjustice.net/2020/06/30/carbon-taxes-can-be-progressive-myth-busting-and-mainstreaming-carbon-taxes/ https://taxjustice.net/2020/06/30/carbon-taxes-can-be-progre...
* https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/550691-economists-a-us-carbon-tax-would-be-progressive https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/550691-econom...
> So if you’re aiming for the most net-progressive tax, you use the revenue for rebates — helps the low-income, raises taxes on the high-income. If you’re aiming to appeal to the middle class, you use the revenue for payroll tax reductions — helps the middle, increases taxes on either end.
* https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/7/20/17584376/carbon-tax-congress-republicans-cost-economy https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/7/20/1758437...
* https://www.energypolicy.columbia.edu/research/report/distributional-implications-carbon-tax https://www.energypolicy.columbia.edu/research/report/distri...
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- masswerk 5y agoWell, you could have calibrated things a bit differently. E.g., domestic heating isn't nice to have in Austria, but a necessity. Also, it's not a major contributing factor, it's just easily accessible by legislative action. On the other hand, if you're not building or renovation, and, if you're poor, the kind of heating you find to have, is kind of fate. Those refundings won't buy you a new heating system for your house. So, well, you could have started with more of a focus on the major, industrial contributors and refocus, when this has yielded as much as could be expected. In the meantime, focus on funding thermal home insolation, as is actually proposed in the program. (There has been done quite some in this direction, already.) (Disclaimer, I'm Austrian.)
- the_mitsuhiko 5y ago> Those refundings won't buy you a new heating system for your house. That is true, but grants for replacing old heating systems have been around for a long time. In many cases however people did not take advantage of them because the cost of their old oil heating systems and others were not that bad.
- masswerk 5y agoThere have been fundings in the other direction, as well. In Austria, if you're running a business, you're automatically member of the Österreichische Wirtschaftskammer, WKO, (Austrian Chamber of Commerce) and paying a fee to run this. A few years ago, when climate awareness was already much a thing and everybody was trying to get rid of those things, the WKO was funding 50% of any costs of an oil fired domestic heating boiler out of these funds, as long as this was installed by a local firm. I had a hard time digesting the self-laudatory letter by the WKO on the matter of this "feat". (As it happens, the party dominating the WKO is also the major partner in the current government.)
- the_mitsuhiko 5y agoOh I'm very aware. I get to enjoy paying for WKO as well and wish I wouldn't have to.