There was a Joe Rogan interview with Tulsi Gabbard that degenerated into a doom-loop like this, of them both enthusiastically agreeing over and over that "nobod

There was a Joe Rogan interview with Tulsi Gabbard that degenerated into a doom-loop like this, of them both enthusiastically agreeing over and over that "nobody talks about the issues". They were so obviously set up perfectly for a segue to a discussion about... any issue... and their conspicuous, almost panicked, refusal to do that really stood out to me. The reason, it seemed clear to me, is that this was exactly as deep as either could venture.