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I'd love for someone like yourself to explain to me what your vision of the future is, or what you see as a "good" world in the next few years. At what point c

by zpeti 5y ago

I'd love for someone like yourself to explain to me what your vision of the future is, or what you see as a "good" world in the next few years. At what point can we go back to pre covid regulations/laws? What level of booster effectiveness would make you feel comfortable? Do you even want things to go back to pre covid? Or would you prefer everyone wear masks for common colds and flu (common colds kill the elderly too btw). What death rate is acceptable to you for covid before things get back to normal? Should we lock down on severe flu seasons in the future? I'd genuinely like to understand how you see the future, I'm not trolling you.

ZeroGravitas 5y ago
We already have tools for evaluating risk in health outcomes. We generally spend more to keep people healthy than merely alive, spend more on people with longer life expectancies etc I work on the assumption that every nation's experts are working from similar frameworks. We already encourage people to get flu vaccines, to be allowed time off work when infectious, run education campaigns on what does and doesn't help with flu, sanitize our hands when entering hospitals or care homes, wash our hands when preparing food and enforce a thousand minor laws, regulations and social customs around that to help keep people healthy from flu and a bunch of other things. All that takes money and time and we do it because the alternative would be worse. It becoming common in more places to wear masks on public transport during flu season seems entirely reasonable to me and not something I'm particularly worried about especially as it might help with the next Covid, avian flu etc.
SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
> I'd love for someone like yourself to explain to me what your vision of the future is, or what you see as a "good" world in the next few years. Well, for one thing the rational choices are limited - it's not only up to us and our "vision of the future", there's a deadly pandemic that constrain us, and it doesn't care about the politics of masks, it's just looking for warm cells to infect. It's foolish to think that we "can we go back to pre covid regulations" in a "vision" without evidence that the disease is under firm control. Getting it under control is step 1 to "good" - if that doesn't happen then the rest is noise; None of our tools are perfect, but you must know the saying "You go to war with the army you have, not the army you want to have". The places that are getting towards that good state are generally highly vaccinated and use the other measures a lot. Compare California to Texas for instance. So my question for the people who don't like vaccines and vaccine mandates, and somehow also don't like masks and mask mandates is, what do you like in that regard? What is your plan? > Or would you prefer everyone wear masks for common colds and flu Some eastern countries have been doing this for a long time. Why would it be a bad idea if some western countries followed suit?

by zpeti 5y ago

ZeroGravitas 5y ago

We already have tools for evaluating risk in health outcomes. We generally spend more to keep people healthy than merely alive, spend more on people with longer life expectancies etc I work on the assumption that every nation's experts are working from similar frameworks. We already encourage people to get flu vaccines, to be allowed time off work when infectious, run education campaigns on what does and doesn't help with flu, sanitize our hands when entering hospitals or care homes, wash our hands when preparing food and enforce a thousand minor laws, regulations and social customs around that to help keep people healthy from flu and a bunch of other things. All that takes money and time and we do it because the alternative would be worse. It becoming common in more places to wear masks on public transport during flu season seems entirely reasonable to me and not something I'm particularly worried about especially as it might help with the next Covid, avian flu etc.

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago

> I'd love for someone like yourself to explain to me what your vision of the future is, or what you see as a "good" world in the next few years. Well, for one thing the rational choices are limited - it's not only up to us and our "vision of the future", there's a deadly pandemic that constrain us, and it doesn't care about the politics of masks, it's just looking for warm cells to infect. It's foolish to think that we "can we go back to pre covid regulations" in a "vision" without evidence that the disease is under firm control. Getting it under control is step 1 to "good" - if that doesn't happen then the rest is noise; None of our tools are perfect, but you must know the saying "You go to war with the army you have, not the army you want to have". The places that are getting towards that good state are generally highly vaccinated and use the other measures a lot. Compare California to Texas for instance. So my question for the people who don't like vaccines and vaccine mandates, and somehow also don't like masks and mask mandates is, what do you like in that regard? What is your plan? > Or would you prefer everyone wear masks for common colds and flu Some eastern countries have been doing this for a long time. Why would it be a bad idea if some western countries followed suit?