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That’s fascinating. Can you share some more information about this process, where filming happens before the script is done? It seems to be that there might be

That’s fascinating. Can you share some more information about this process, where filming happens before the script is done? It seems to be that there might be a parallel with software dev practices, ie waterfall model (write script, shoot script, edit film) and a more lean/agile model (writing, shooting and editing in whatever order it takes to build up the film)

Alex3917 5y ago
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- sbarre 5y ago
  So your reference is something else you wrote? I'd love to see some other references if have any. It's a bold claim (from the linked article) to say that: > Black Widow was fully created with motion capture ("pre-visualization") before a script was even written
  - Alex3917 5y ago
    > So your reference is something else you wrote? I didn't write it, that's my co-founder. And plus there is a full article about it here if you just Google it: https://www.insider.com/marvel-plans-movies-action-scenes-years-before-filming-previs-visualization-2021-1 https://www.insider.com/marvel-plans-movies-action-scenes-ye... "While previs used to be used for just one or two tricky action scenes, Marvel has embraced the approach of visualizing entire movies, including quieter beats and dialogue scenes." "The first visualizations of a Marvel film will often begin before the script's fully finished." "Occasionally, rough previs might be underway even before the cinematographer or director has signed on to the project, a practice that can be controversial in Hollywood. Director Lucrecia Martel said she turned down the offer to direct the upcoming "Black Widow" movie after Marvel told her not to worry about the action sequences."
    - sbarre 5y ago
      Ok sure.. "Before a script is fully finished" is a long way from "before a script was even written". Script rewrites happen throughout the whole process, even well into post-production sometimes (with re-shoots etc).. That's not at all the same thing as "before a script is written".
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- Joeboy 5y ago
  > Black Widow was fully created with motion capture ("pre-visualization") before a script was even written. That sounds very unlikely and I'd need a better citation. And pre-visualization doesn't really mean what they seem to be using it to mean here. Edit: It seems like this is you trying to promote your Hollywood startup, rather than an accurate assessment of how things are currently done in Hollywood.
  - Alex3917 5y ago
    "It seems like this is you trying to promote your Hollywood startup" Not my startup, I don't have any connection to them other than via my co-founder. I do run FWD:Everyone though.
    - Joeboy 5y ago
      Apologies. It seems like your link is your co-founder trying to promote his Hollywood startup, rather than an accurate assessment of how things are currently done in Hollywood.
      - Alex3917 5y ago
        I mean he is promoting the startup, it's an investor pitch. I don't read what he's saying as being inaccurate though.
        Joeboy 5y ago
        It's an obviously absurd claim.
        Alex3917 5y ago
        It literally says in the video I linked to that they're using the pre-vis to determine what the plot should be. If that's possible, then I don't see anything even remotely absurd about the idea of creating a market to license pre-vis. Now obviously you're not going to be able to user Spider-Man pre-vis if you're making something like Schindler's List, but exploring and facilitating different licensing models seems absolutely worth doing.

Alex3917 5y ago

Message #3 in this email thread: https://www.fwdeveryone.com/t/8SE7gM0xRkGI2taSIFBJhw/rensa-games https://www.fwdeveryone.com/t/8SE7gM0xRkGI2taSIFBJhw/rensa-g...

sbarre 5y ago
So your reference is something else you wrote? I'd love to see some other references if have any. It's a bold claim (from the linked article) to say that: > Black Widow was fully created with motion capture ("pre-visualization") before a script was even written
- Alex3917 5y ago
  > So your reference is something else you wrote? I didn't write it, that's my co-founder. And plus there is a full article about it here if you just Google it: https://www.insider.com/marvel-plans-movies-action-scenes-years-before-filming-previs-visualization-2021-1 https://www.insider.com/marvel-plans-movies-action-scenes-ye... "While previs used to be used for just one or two tricky action scenes, Marvel has embraced the approach of visualizing entire movies, including quieter beats and dialogue scenes." "The first visualizations of a Marvel film will often begin before the script's fully finished." "Occasionally, rough previs might be underway even before the cinematographer or director has signed on to the project, a practice that can be controversial in Hollywood. Director Lucrecia Martel said she turned down the offer to direct the upcoming "Black Widow" movie after Marvel told her not to worry about the action sequences."
  - sbarre 5y ago
    Ok sure.. "Before a script is fully finished" is a long way from "before a script was even written". Script rewrites happen throughout the whole process, even well into post-production sometimes (with re-shoots etc).. That's not at all the same thing as "before a script is written".
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Joeboy 5y ago
> Black Widow was fully created with motion capture ("pre-visualization") before a script was even written. That sounds very unlikely and I'd need a better citation. And pre-visualization doesn't really mean what they seem to be using it to mean here. Edit: It seems like this is you trying to promote your Hollywood startup, rather than an accurate assessment of how things are currently done in Hollywood.
- Alex3917 5y ago
  "It seems like this is you trying to promote your Hollywood startup" Not my startup, I don't have any connection to them other than via my co-founder. I do run FWD:Everyone though.
  - Joeboy 5y ago
    Apologies. It seems like your link is your co-founder trying to promote his Hollywood startup, rather than an accurate assessment of how things are currently done in Hollywood.
    - Alex3917 5y ago
      I mean he is promoting the startup, it's an investor pitch. I don't read what he's saying as being inaccurate though.
      - Joeboy 5y ago
        It's an obviously absurd claim.
        Alex3917 5y ago
        It literally says in the video I linked to that they're using the pre-vis to determine what the plot should be. If that's possible, then I don't see anything even remotely absurd about the idea of creating a market to license pre-vis. Now obviously you're not going to be able to user Spider-Man pre-vis if you're making something like Schindler's List, but exploring and facilitating different licensing models seems absolutely worth doing.