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> I support right to repair, but ONLY with genuine parts with warranty. Why? Why can't I make that decision myself? If I'm fine with a cheaper display, why sho

> I support right to repair, but ONLY with genuine parts with warranty. Why? Why can't I make that decision myself? If I'm fine with a cheaper display, why should apple disallow me from doing that? If they sold their spare parts in their own store, everyone could make the decision whether they want genuine or 3rd party replacement parts themselves. The phone could tell you when the part is not genuine, so you could get your money back from everyone who sold you a non-grnuir parts as genuine. No reason to block the functionality of the phone.

elzbardico 5y ago
Because what is a personal optimum not always is a collective optimum. One of the things that I like on iPhones is their high resale value. A lot of iPhone users trade their old phones for new ones. I voluntarily choose for that by switching from Android to Apple.
- makeitdouble 5y ago
  Are you saying that your personal optimum for resale value primes over the collective optimum of having a replacement parts ecosystem ?
  - elzbardico 5y ago
    No. I am saying that given the size of the resale market of iPhones, I’d bet most people are more interested on that. If it were otherwise we would see more people not buying iPhones because of that. You see this phenomenon in cars, where brands with low reliability or repairability usually need more discounts to be sold.
    - turbinerneiter 5y ago
      That's is not all an argument for bricking phones with 3rd party parts, just for having a setting screen that shows which parts are original, replaced and from which source.
jodrellblank 5y ago
The much more likely outcome is people buying broken iPhones in bulk, putting cheap screens in them, and selling them as originals. The number of people who (A, bought an iPhone as a high-end device. B, broke it. C, in a way that can be repaired, D, are capable and motivated to do the repair themselves, E, are unwilling to pay for a repair from Apple or have AppleCare, F, are willing to go from high-end device to cheap-discount parts, G, are apopleptic when they can't and didn't know about this in advance) is approximately nobody. People who are happy with discount cheaper parts probably aren't buying Apple in the first place. People who are careful about repairs to extend the life of their property are likely more careful than average to avoid breaks in the first place. People who care about repairs likely know about Apple's repair policies before choosing to buy an iPhone. And people who splurged money on an iPhone for whatever reason are unlikely to be happy with cheaper parts, or they would have got a cheaper phone in the first place. It's not literally nobody, but is it really enough people and a common enough situation to base national or international policy on, when crime and fraud and scams are very common? Isn't it really a very unlikely situation which tickles the geek dream of getting a broken iPhone cheap from a friend or dumpster, putting a cheap screen in it, and having used your skills to wrangle a bargain from the Universe, and therefore makes an easy internet upvote comment more than it makes a genuine objection? You could still do almost all that if you could buy genuine replacement parts from Apple at not-extortionate prices, right?

elzbardico 5y ago

Because what is a personal optimum not always is a collective optimum. One of the things that I like on iPhones is their high resale value. A lot of iPhone users trade their old phones for new ones. I voluntarily choose for that by switching from Android to Apple.

makeitdouble 5y ago
Are you saying that your personal optimum for resale value primes over the collective optimum of having a replacement parts ecosystem ?
- elzbardico 5y ago
  No. I am saying that given the size of the resale market of iPhones, I’d bet most people are more interested on that. If it were otherwise we would see more people not buying iPhones because of that. You see this phenomenon in cars, where brands with low reliability or repairability usually need more discounts to be sold.
  - turbinerneiter 5y ago
    That's is not all an argument for bricking phones with 3rd party parts, just for having a setting screen that shows which parts are original, replaced and from which source.

jodrellblank 5y ago

The much more likely outcome is people buying broken iPhones in bulk, putting cheap screens in them, and selling them as originals. The number of people who (A, bought an iPhone as a high-end device. B, broke it. C, in a way that can be repaired, D, are capable and motivated to do the repair themselves, E, are unwilling to pay for a repair from Apple or have AppleCare, F, are willing to go from high-end device to cheap-discount parts, G, are apopleptic when they can't and didn't know about this in advance) is approximately nobody. People who are happy with discount cheaper parts probably aren't buying Apple in the first place. People who are careful about repairs to extend the life of their property are likely more careful than average to avoid breaks in the first place. People who care about repairs likely know about Apple's repair policies before choosing to buy an iPhone. And people who splurged money on an iPhone for whatever reason are unlikely to be happy with cheaper parts, or they would have got a cheaper phone in the first place. It's not literally nobody, but is it really enough people and a common enough situation to base national or international policy on, when crime and fraud and scams are very common? Isn't it really a very unlikely situation which tickles the geek dream of getting a broken iPhone cheap from a friend or dumpster, putting a cheap screen in it, and having used your skills to wrangle a bargain from the Universe, and therefore makes an easy internet upvote comment more than it makes a genuine objection? You could still do almost all that if you could buy genuine replacement parts from Apple at not-extortionate prices, right?