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Technocracy. We'll all live in small flats, every move monitored, resources 'correctly' allocated, quarterly 'health' shots, no cars, we'll see very little nat

Technocracy. We'll all live in small flats, every move monitored, resources 'correctly' allocated, quarterly 'health' shots, no cars, we'll see very little nature. My, how far we've come...

6502nerdface 5y ago
Hey man it's that or Thunderdome.
narrator 5y ago
Since we are dystopia larping: The future will be miserable, unless you live in China. In China, the future will arrive as planned as China will once again become the middle kingdom and be bestowed with the mandate of heaven. In the west, the 200 years of western industrial society will be regarded as a mistake that must be payed for dearly with carbon credits. ;)
swayvil 5y ago
Sounds about right. Also. Sudden death for worn-out workers. We'll invent a rationale for that eventually. 20 years of retirement is just an unnecessary drain on the economy. Like in Logan's Run except more plausible. Also cellphones implanted at birth. With stress induction. Also, radical amputation for information workers. All that extra flesh is just an unnecessary drain on the economy.
- 5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
  >20 years of retirement is just an unnecessary drain on the economy. Or you might go the way my country did, with a 60-something retirement age and 65 (or slightly better) life expectancy.
- secondcoming 5y ago
  > We'll invent a rationale for that eventually. 20 years of retirement is just an unnecessary drain on the economy. I n the UK there's already some disdain for 'boomers' because they're getting state pensions and are quite likely to own several mortgage-free houses. Tax rises only affect those currently working so young people people get irked at having to pay more into a system where they're unlikely to get much out. It's not entirely unjustified but the assumption that 'boomer's got stuff for free isn't necessarily true. It's a interesting development and worth watching.
- swayvil 5y ago
  Jeez. You people catch nuance like a chainlink fence catches mosquitoes. I'm not saying that I buy into the "kill the old" thing. I'm just saying it's the natural evolution of our society. Aristocrats get gilded, serfs get grinded.
chubot 5y ago
I think the future will be more diverse, and what you describe is probably one direction it will go. But there are also many other directions, like people living off grid aided by varying amounts of cheap technology, etc. There is actually a lot of land left in the world (even in the US and Canada) if you want to take on the hardships of not interacting with society. Judging by what I see say on YouTube, a lot of people want this! Random channel, I only watched a little of it: https://www.youtube.com/user/explorealternatives https://www.youtube.com/user/explorealternatives (it felt like a lot of off grid living was in Canada, which is interesting given the weather) Similar to paleo and other alternative diets as a reaction against industrial farming and food production, there's already a lot of reaction against big tech and technocracy. I think / I hope this time it won't take 50+ years to "properly react". Both industries brought us some good things but we have to be critical about what to adopt.
- concordDance 5y ago
  "A lot of land"? Where exactly? The private timberland? The Federal wilderness? Or the desert? https://i.imgur.com/Us5Wyt0.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Us5Wyt0.jpg
  - SamPatt 5y ago
    There's an entire state's worth of "idle / fallow" on that map. Michigan and then some. That's a lot of land.
  - chubot 5y ago
    I'm not an expert in this area, but I watched a video by a guy who built a cabin in Michigan, talking about how to buy land for like $5K an acre. I just googled and this seems like a real thing, i.e. hundreds of properties for very cheap: https://www.landandfarm.com/search/michigan-land-between-5000-and-10000 https://www.landandfarm.com/search/michigan-land-between-500... Also I had a friend who did this near the California/Nevada border. Super cheap land if you don't care about electricity and plumbing! Michigan and California are both extremely populated states -- but MOST of them by land area is very sparsely populated. I'm sure someone here knows more, but I think it's obvious if you just drive 30, 60, or 120 minutes outside any city in the US. There is a lot of land. All of it is probably owned, but the owners are probably not doing anything with it, and would sell it for a fair price, which is low. Hell there is even land in San Francisco if you've ever biked between San Francisco and South San Francisco. Again, it's owned, but it's not doing very much. Humans like to crowd together in very few places, particularly near water. Here's a more relevant picture: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/3d-mapping-the-worlds-largest-population-densities/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/3d-mapping-the-worlds-large... Judging by this picture, the US, Europe, and Russia are barely populated at all :)

Technocracy. We'll all live in small flats, every move monitored, resources 'correctly' allocated, quarterly 'health' shots, no cars, we'll see very little nature. My, how far we've come...

6502nerdface 5y ago

Hey man it's that or Thunderdome.

narrator 5y ago

Since we are dystopia larping: The future will be miserable, unless you live in China. In China, the future will arrive as planned as China will once again become the middle kingdom and be bestowed with the mandate of heaven. In the west, the 200 years of western industrial society will be regarded as a mistake that must be payed for dearly with carbon credits. ;)

swayvil 5y ago

Sounds about right. Also. Sudden death for worn-out workers. We'll invent a rationale for that eventually. 20 years of retirement is just an unnecessary drain on the economy. Like in Logan's Run except more plausible. Also cellphones implanted at birth. With stress induction. Also, radical amputation for information workers. All that extra flesh is just an unnecessary drain on the economy.

5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
>20 years of retirement is just an unnecessary drain on the economy. Or you might go the way my country did, with a 60-something retirement age and 65 (or slightly better) life expectancy.
secondcoming 5y ago
> We'll invent a rationale for that eventually. 20 years of retirement is just an unnecessary drain on the economy. I n the UK there's already some disdain for 'boomers' because they're getting state pensions and are quite likely to own several mortgage-free houses. Tax rises only affect those currently working so young people people get irked at having to pay more into a system where they're unlikely to get much out. It's not entirely unjustified but the assumption that 'boomer's got stuff for free isn't necessarily true. It's a interesting development and worth watching.
swayvil 5y ago
Jeez. You people catch nuance like a chainlink fence catches mosquitoes. I'm not saying that I buy into the "kill the old" thing. I'm just saying it's the natural evolution of our society. Aristocrats get gilded, serfs get grinded.

chubot 5y ago

I think the future will be more diverse, and what you describe is probably one direction it will go. But there are also many other directions, like people living off grid aided by varying amounts of cheap technology, etc. There is actually a lot of land left in the world (even in the US and Canada) if you want to take on the hardships of not interacting with society. Judging by what I see say on YouTube, a lot of people want this! Random channel, I only watched a little of it: https://www.youtube.com/user/explorealternatives https://www.youtube.com/user/explorealternatives (it felt like a lot of off grid living was in Canada, which is interesting given the weather) Similar to paleo and other alternative diets as a reaction against industrial farming and food production, there's already a lot of reaction against big tech and technocracy. I think / I hope this time it won't take 50+ years to "properly react". Both industries brought us some good things but we have to be critical about what to adopt.

concordDance 5y ago
"A lot of land"? Where exactly? The private timberland? The Federal wilderness? Or the desert? https://i.imgur.com/Us5Wyt0.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Us5Wyt0.jpg
- SamPatt 5y ago
  There's an entire state's worth of "idle / fallow" on that map. Michigan and then some. That's a lot of land.
- chubot 5y ago
  I'm not an expert in this area, but I watched a video by a guy who built a cabin in Michigan, talking about how to buy land for like $5K an acre. I just googled and this seems like a real thing, i.e. hundreds of properties for very cheap: https://www.landandfarm.com/search/michigan-land-between-5000-and-10000 https://www.landandfarm.com/search/michigan-land-between-500... Also I had a friend who did this near the California/Nevada border. Super cheap land if you don't care about electricity and plumbing! Michigan and California are both extremely populated states -- but MOST of them by land area is very sparsely populated. I'm sure someone here knows more, but I think it's obvious if you just drive 30, 60, or 120 minutes outside any city in the US. There is a lot of land. All of it is probably owned, but the owners are probably not doing anything with it, and would sell it for a fair price, which is low. Hell there is even land in San Francisco if you've ever biked between San Francisco and South San Francisco. Again, it's owned, but it's not doing very much. Humans like to crowd together in very few places, particularly near water. Here's a more relevant picture: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/3d-mapping-the-worlds-largest-population-densities/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/3d-mapping-the-worlds-large... Judging by this picture, the US, Europe, and Russia are barely populated at all :)