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The Duck Curve [0] is the enemy of grid reliability. Until the electric system figures out what to do with the useless energy generated in the middle of the day
by teslabox 5y ago
The Duck Curve [0] is the enemy of grid reliability. Until the electric system figures out what to do with the useless energy generated in the middle of the day, we'll be chained to natural gas plants for surge generation.
[0] https://www.energy.gov/eere/articles/confronting-duck-curve-how-address-over-generation-solar-energy https://www.energy.gov/eere/articles/confronting-duck-curve-...
Perhaps blowing bubbles in the ocean dead zones [1] would be a productive use of excess power? The bubblers would be turned on and off to bleed off extra electrons from the grid.
[1] How big is the Ocean Dead Zone off the Coast of California? - https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2010AGUFMOS33D1492H/abstract https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2010AGUFMOS33D1492H/abstra...
From the cnbc submission:
> Finally, once the wheels are in motion to shut a nuclear plant down, it's expensive and complicated process to reverse.
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> Diablo was set on the path to be decommissioned in 2016 and will operate until 2025. Then, the fuel has to be removed from the site.
If the next two winters are excessively cold [2], a real leader might arise to tell the anti-nuclear activists, 'you mean well, but we do actually need these thing for the next 20 years.' This leader would point out that the alternative is for all the Californians who are priced out of expensive electricity/natural gas to use coal from the Navajo Nation/etc to heat their homes [3].
[2] South Pole posts most severe cold season on record (seattletimes.com) (2021) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28734308 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28734308
[3] Coal Heating in the United States - https://forgreenheat.blogspot.com/2017/06/trends-in-heating-with-coal-in-united.html https://forgreenheat.blogspot.com/2017/06/trends-in-heating-...
- Factorium 5y agoJust charge EVs, and then discharge them during the afternoon and evening. Peak energy prices are approximately double that of off-peak. For example, if 50% of a standard Tesla 3 battery could be reserved for this, 31kWh, you could make about $8 per day, or $2,900/year, plus be contributing hugely to grid stability. It could be as simple as setting cars to discharge back into the grid any remaining power from 4PM-8PM (depending on user preference), and charging from 11PM - 7AM. It seems totally reasonable for regulators, grid operators, carmakers to collaborate and create standards and mechanisms for car owners to charge and discharge based on their typical driving needs and live pricing. Look at the enthusiasm for GPU mining - people will flock to getting their cars to do this.
- moogly 5y agoA Tesla battery is only good for ~1500 full charging cycles though.
- Factorium 5y agoThe car is charging and discharging daily anyway. The key is just to do it at certain times. If people can make serious money from the vehicles just from charging/discharging, there's also a big motivation to design batteries with longer lifecycles.
- moogly 5y agoI mean, charging at specific times makes total sense, I totally agree (and there are currently (heh) ways to do that). But for vehicle-to-grid discharging, I'm not sure if the economics make sense. Someone smarter than I would have to do the calculus, but it's quite difficult to put a pricetag on the utility of actually driving the car.
- Justin_K 5y agoDesalination?