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I agree with you, but Tesla are very clear that the person in the driver's seat is 100% responsible for the vehicle when Autopilot is active. Until the law catc

I agree with you, but Tesla are very clear that the person in the driver's seat is 100% responsible for the vehicle when Autopilot is active. Until the law catches up with innovation, that will continue to be the case. Most planes today can land themselves, yet pilots still often land manually to keep their attention and skills sharp. Tesla drivers which make use of Autopilot should consider doing the same -- since ultimately it's their ass on the line for now.

falcolas 5y ago
Aircraft pilots - especially those who fly jets with auto-landing features - are exceptionally well trained and paid to keep that attention and skill sharp. And that’s not counting their backup - the co-pilots - who are typically just as well trained and compensated as the lead pilots. I highly doubt Tesla will start putting drivers through several hundreds of hours of training every year (let alone pay them 6/7 figure salaries) to have properly safe and trained drivers in their cars.
- userbinator 5y ago
  The other thing that people who bring up the aviation analogy don't often mention is the difference in scale of reaction times when flying in an aircraft; they are moving much faster, but the distance between them (and the ground below) is also much higher, more than proportional to cars; when the autopilot disconnects, there is at least a few seconds to react to the situation. In a car, reaction/handover times to avoid a collision are sub-second.
LilBytes 5y ago
Like one of the GP comments said, >* "Your brain cannot turn off habituation' The entire argument falls apart, and quickly. If the statement 'its the drivers responsibility' relies on us completely ignoring human behaviours and patterns. People are falliable, and encouraging people to not concentrate and put trust into auto-pilot, and knowing with every kilometre travelled. People concentrate less and less. Who is at fault when the car misbehaves and breaks away from expected behaviours?
- mkr-hn 5y ago
  Habituation is even a problem in ordinary cars. There's a word for it: highway hypnosis. First identified 100 years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_hypnosis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_hypnosis
heavyset_go 5y ago
> I agree with you, but Tesla are very clear that the person in the driver's seat is 100% responsible for the vehicle when Autopilot is active. So when Tesla says[1]: > The person in the driver’s seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself. The "legal reason" for having a person in the driver seat is so that they can act as a liability shield for Tesla? [1] https://www.tesla.com/videos/autopilot-self-driving-hardware-neighborhood-long https://www.tesla.com/videos/autopilot-self-driving-hardware...
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- DarmokJalad1701 5y ago
  You keep posting the same comment. That is a specific marketing video from five years ago. The current system has basically nothing in common with what is shown there, hardware or software wise. > The person in the driver’s seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself. Does it say that in the Autopilot terms of use? Maybe the owner's manual?
  - heavyset_go 5y ago
    > You keep posting the same comment. No, I made two distinctively different comments, but used the same quote from Tesla in them, which is the same quote you've just quoted yourself. > That is a specific marketing video from five years ago. The current system has basically nothing in common with what is shown there, hardware or software wise. So it got worse over the last 5 years? Because Tesla said the car was driving itself, but now you're saying that's not true, and there's nothing in common with them.

falcolas 5y ago

Aircraft pilots - especially those who fly jets with auto-landing features - are exceptionally well trained and paid to keep that attention and skill sharp. And that’s not counting their backup - the co-pilots - who are typically just as well trained and compensated as the lead pilots. I highly doubt Tesla will start putting drivers through several hundreds of hours of training every year (let alone pay them 6/7 figure salaries) to have properly safe and trained drivers in their cars.

userbinator 5y ago
The other thing that people who bring up the aviation analogy don't often mention is the difference in scale of reaction times when flying in an aircraft; they are moving much faster, but the distance between them (and the ground below) is also much higher, more than proportional to cars; when the autopilot disconnects, there is at least a few seconds to react to the situation. In a car, reaction/handover times to avoid a collision are sub-second.

LilBytes 5y ago

Like one of the GP comments said, >* "Your brain cannot turn off habituation' The entire argument falls apart, and quickly. If the statement 'its the drivers responsibility' relies on us completely ignoring human behaviours and patterns. People are falliable, and encouraging people to not concentrate and put trust into auto-pilot, and knowing with every kilometre travelled. People concentrate less and less. Who is at fault when the car misbehaves and breaks away from expected behaviours?

mkr-hn 5y ago
Habituation is even a problem in ordinary cars. There's a word for it: highway hypnosis. First identified 100 years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_hypnosis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_hypnosis

heavyset_go 5y ago

> I agree with you, but Tesla are very clear that the person in the driver's seat is 100% responsible for the vehicle when Autopilot is active. So when Tesla says[1]: > The person in the driver’s seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself. The "legal reason" for having a person in the driver seat is so that they can act as a liability shield for Tesla? [1] https://www.tesla.com/videos/autopilot-self-driving-hardware-neighborhood-long https://www.tesla.com/videos/autopilot-self-driving-hardware...

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DarmokJalad1701 5y ago
You keep posting the same comment. That is a specific marketing video from five years ago. The current system has basically nothing in common with what is shown there, hardware or software wise. > The person in the driver’s seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself. Does it say that in the Autopilot terms of use? Maybe the owner's manual?
- heavyset_go 5y ago
  > You keep posting the same comment. No, I made two distinctively different comments, but used the same quote from Tesla in them, which is the same quote you've just quoted yourself. > That is a specific marketing video from five years ago. The current system has basically nothing in common with what is shown there, hardware or software wise. So it got worse over the last 5 years? Because Tesla said the car was driving itself, but now you're saying that's not true, and there's nothing in common with them.