That's interesting. I hate Java and actually like JS. I used to make the same assumption too, that everyone just hated Java and it was easy to hate on. I used

That's interesting. I hate Java and actually like JS. I used to make the same assumption too, that everyone just hated Java and it was easy to hate on. I used to apply for JS jobs, and the interview would have questions like "What do you dislike about JS?" I couldn't find much to dislike and never got those jobs. Maybe it's a sign of proficiency when you're good enough at a language to hit its limits. I'd say the other effect is when you join projects built by experienced but non-senior people, it tends to be overengineered. Overengineering shows the ugly side of a language. Everyone assumes that this is normal behaviour for the language, when it's frequently not.