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Windows 8.1 was pretty decent. Windows 10 was a clusterfuck, from forced updates bricking machines to telemetry shoveled down everyone's throat to paid-for cal

by eps 5y ago

Windows 8.1 was pretty decent. Windows 10 was a clusterfuck, from forced updates bricking machines to telemetry shoveled down everyone's throat to paid-for calculator to online accounts needed for local logins and all the way to its inbred UI. Total cluster, literally zero improvements to day-to-day use vs 8.1.

bsanr2 5y ago
This. I didn't hate 8. I used it for several years without much trouble, and almost immediately regreted upgrading from it. I know a lot of people were put off by 8's UX changes, but they weren't that bad, especially compared to everything in your face AND under the hood that changed for the worst in 10. We even got the start menu back by 8.1 (and I never had an issue with the start screen, save issues navigating it with a mouse that were corrected IIRC). Honestly, I even miss the charms bar/gesture; it was easy to make a larg general swipe and then choose "shutdown" to shutdown.
noxer 5y ago
literally every point about windows 10 is wrong. >forced updates can be turned off with a few clicks, no external tool required, no command line anything. its just shy hard enough that people who should not do it wont accidentally figure out how. If you dont know how you know what to google for, if not you are one of thous people who should not turn updates off. >telemetry can be turned off mostly but not so easy. however its an essential part of how a modern OS is maintained people dont like it and I get why but fixing up bugs from just user bug reports is simply not feasible anymore. >paid-for calculator no clue what that means >online accounts needed for local logins simply not true. Ive used every windows from 95 to 11 and not one needes an online account. to this day I dont have one and beside the obviously cloud based apps like onedrive I can use everything just fine. >literally zero improvements to day-to-day use vs 8.1. pointless statement as it depend on use-case. plenty people only use office and a browser sure the OS updates have no use for them.
- tweetle_beetle 5y ago
  You're right, but equally you have to go out of your way to achieve that state. An everyday user with a fresh install will almost certainly end up with unrequested updates, telemetry and an online account for local login. One thing missing in this discussion is DirectX. Windows 10 launched with a new version and tried to market itself as a gaming platform. People playing AAA games on PC is a sizeable market and this would've been a significant everyday upgrade for them.
  - noxer 5y ago
    Its intentional. If people could easily turn off updates they would do that and the next critical vulnerability would cause millions or billions of damage because it can infect and then use all those private PCs to attack other systems and no sys admin is around to fix stuff. It would be a disaster and very bad PR for MS.

by eps 5y ago

bsanr2 5y ago

This. I didn't hate 8. I used it for several years without much trouble, and almost immediately regreted upgrading from it. I know a lot of people were put off by 8's UX changes, but they weren't that bad, especially compared to everything in your face AND under the hood that changed for the worst in 10. We even got the start menu back by 8.1 (and I never had an issue with the start screen, save issues navigating it with a mouse that were corrected IIRC). Honestly, I even miss the charms bar/gesture; it was easy to make a larg general swipe and then choose "shutdown" to shutdown.

noxer 5y ago

literally every point about windows 10 is wrong. >forced updates can be turned off with a few clicks, no external tool required, no command line anything. its just shy hard enough that people who should not do it wont accidentally figure out how. If you dont know how you know what to google for, if not you are one of thous people who should not turn updates off. >telemetry can be turned off mostly but not so easy. however its an essential part of how a modern OS is maintained people dont like it and I get why but fixing up bugs from just user bug reports is simply not feasible anymore. >paid-for calculator no clue what that means >online accounts needed for local logins simply not true. Ive used every windows from 95 to 11 and not one needes an online account. to this day I dont have one and beside the obviously cloud based apps like onedrive I can use everything just fine. >literally zero improvements to day-to-day use vs 8.1. pointless statement as it depend on use-case. plenty people only use office and a browser sure the OS updates have no use for them.

tweetle_beetle 5y ago
You're right, but equally you have to go out of your way to achieve that state. An everyday user with a fresh install will almost certainly end up with unrequested updates, telemetry and an online account for local login. One thing missing in this discussion is DirectX. Windows 10 launched with a new version and tried to market itself as a gaming platform. People playing AAA games on PC is a sizeable market and this would've been a significant everyday upgrade for them.
- noxer 5y ago
  Its intentional. If people could easily turn off updates they would do that and the next critical vulnerability would cause millions or billions of damage because it can infect and then use all those private PCs to attack other systems and no sys admin is around to fix stuff. It would be a disaster and very bad PR for MS.