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This article has so much misleading information. It's bonkers. >The official figures, analysed by Pesticide Action Network (PAN), found 122 different pesticide
by Nicksil 5y ago
This article has so much misleading information. It's bonkers.
>The official figures, analysed by Pesticide Action Network (PAN), found 122 different pesticides in the 12 most polluted products, which the charity calls the “dirty dozen”. Many of these are hazardous to human health; 61% are classified as highly hazardous pesticides (HHPs), a concept used by the UN to identify those substances most harmful to human health or the environment.
>The list of pesticides includes 47 with links to cancer, 15 “reproductive or developmental toxins” that can have adverse effects on sexual function and fertility, and 17 cholinesterase inhibitors that can impair the respiratory system and cause confusion, headaches and weakness. A quarter of the pesticides found are suspected endocrine disruptors that can interfere with hormone systems, causing an array of health problems including birth defects and developmental disorders.
>Every fruit or vegetable on the list contains two or more types of pesticide, with some containing up to 25. Although the levels of individual pesticides are within legal limits, activists fear the combination of multiple chemicals could be particularly damaging to people’s health.
"Although the levels of individual pesticides are within legal limits"
This is buried but this is what it all comes down to.
Every chemical can be hazardous to humans. Every one of 'em. Water? Yeah, you can die from too much water (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication).
If you're wondering why you have yet to die from consuming these foods or why our average life expectancy hasn't declined since we began applying these products, it's because they are in-fact not harmful to humans in the quantities allowed for agricultural application.
>“The best way for people to avoid pesticides is to buy organic. Of course, almost no one in the UK can financially afford or access a fully organic diet so that is why we publish the dirty dozen – to help consumers prioritise which produce to avoid,” she said.
Here, again, is the misconception "organic" foods are produced without the application of pesticides, herbicides, and fertilizer. Of course these "organic" crops have pesticides, herbicides, and fertilizer applied. If they didn't, there wouldn't be enough output to sustain the size of the "organic" industry we see today.
"Organic" crops may not use the same products as conventional agriculture because of seemingly arbitrary rules they came up with governing the make-up of such products. Now here's where it gets especially frustrating: The "organic" variety of these products are less effective than the more advanced variety used by everyone else. More of the chemical is required to achieve the desired output. More, not less, of these "organic" chemical products are being applied to the "organic" foods you consume.
>There are also environmental implications: half of the top 12 pesticides found are groundwater contaminants, meaning they persist in water bodies, potentially affecting aquatic biodiversity or drinking water quality. The list includes the neonicotinoid acetamiprid which, while thought to be less toxic to pollinators than other neonicotinoids, PAN says could still represent a potential threat to bee health.
This is true for all applications of such chemicals; including the chemicals used to treat "organic" crops. When you put stuff in the environment, it will become detectable in the environment.
>Mole added: “Consumers presume that their food has been through rigorous testing and that if an item is available for sale in the UK then it must be safe. Unfortunately, this is not necessarily the case. [...]”
Yes it is. Rigorous testing is being conducting on a nearly constant basis. Whether we find something in the future that is harmful to humans does not mean testing had not taken place, it means our science and understanding has advanced to the point where we're capable of discovering such a thing.
> [...] We actually have very limited understanding of the long-term impacts to human health of consuming small amounts of tens of different pesticides every day of our lives.”
No we don't. We have a pretty good understanding of the long-term impacts to human health of consuming small amounts of different "organic" and conventional pesticides.
>A spokesperson for the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said: “All food sold in the UK must meet strict rules on pesticide residue to ensure it is safe to eat. These are enforced via a comprehensive residues monitoring programme overseen by an independent specialist body and in 2020 more than 97% of tested samples were compliant.
And buried at the end of it all is this. But why should we believe the government when this interest group is scaring us into buying more "organic" produce?
This is bananas. I am genuinely surprised such a low-quality, low-effort article, spreading blatant fear, uncertainty, and doubt was published by The Guardian.
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I've enclosed the term "organic" in quotes in some context because the word is absolutely meaningless when used to describe foods. All food is organic. "Organic" is this context is a marketing term and nothing more.
- TedDoesntTalk 5y ago> I've enclosed the term "organic" in quotes in some context because the word is absolutely meaningless when used to describe foods. All food is organic. "Organic" is this context is a marketing term and nothing more. I think you mean "natural" not organic? Everything in the universe is inherently natural. Cynicism about "organic" labels used to be grounded, but at least in the USA, use of the term is now regulated by the USDA and it has a very specific definition. I used to have similar cynical beliefs about "organic" food. And i think even 10 years ago that cynicism was justified, but not anymore. I encourage you to update your knowledge and to keep an open mind. Having said that, i think the anti-GMO movement is nonsense. There's nothing wrong with GMO produce as far as i can tell. In the USA, i do not think GMO crops make the harvest non-organic. In other words, GMO status is not related to organic status. I think. Of course thats unlikely to be true in the EU where GMO crops are demonized. Please correct me if wrong.
- Nicksil 5y ago>I think you mean "natural" not organic? Everything in the universe is inherently natural. No, I meant organic. >I used to have similar cynical beliefs about "organic" food. And i think even 10 years ago that cynicism was justified, but not anymore. My comments aren't derived from cynicism. The information I've provided is widely available and easily consumable. I have not introduced any novel idea or position. >I encourage you to update your knowledge and to keep an open mind. Having an open/closed mind has no affect on whether information is correct.
- TedDoesntTalk 5y agohttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_pesticides https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_pesticides
- Nicksil 5y ago>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_pesticides https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_pesticides I'm not sure what you're meaning to say by giving that link, but there isn't anything there to refute anything I've commented on. With respect to the organic argument, every topic mentioned in that article applies to organic crop products just as well.