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For kicks I installed Works 9.0 yesterday; on my bleeding edge beast of a gaming machine. _Holy hell_ is it fast _and capable_. For comparison, I popped open t

For kicks I installed Works 9.0 yesterday; on my bleeding edge beast of a gaming machine. _Holy hell_ is it fast _and capable_. For comparison, I popped open the relevant Office 365 apps and every one of them was noticeably slower to load, and slower to function. Even text rendering of input seemed to have a bit of a delay. I can only imagine a world where Windows 2000 simply kept receiving security and driver updates. sigh

huuuz 5y ago
word and excel are slower when compared to the Google workspace counterparts. There's a very noticeable lag when typing. They should be ashamed of themselves.
MrBuddyCasino 5y ago
> I can only imagine a world where Windows 2000 simply kept receiving security and driver updates. sigh Everyone wants this, funny how Big Corp works. Its supposed to be giving the consumer what he wants. Economists can't comprehend.
- hyperman1 5y ago
  There is something important hiding in your comment. In a fee market, someone would stand up and provide a modern fork of windows 2000. As this is not happening, the OS market is not free. I suppose it's an oligopoly or monopoly at this point. So what went wrong? Complicated question, I see multiple partial answers. * part of governement's job is safeguarding and restoring free markets. Clearly they failed here. * part of it is a natural monopoly. No source code means a lot harder support. * part of it is the copyright monopoly, making a free market basically illegal. There must be some mechanism for protecting creators, but the balance is lost if copyright forbids, e.g. duplication of goods no longer sold * part of it is a failure in standardisation. POSIX is hopelessly incomplete for a modern os, and microsoft ignored it in favor of its own API's (minus some subsystem lip qervice). * part of it is also the 'free' culture (beer, not speach). Someone has to pay for development, and gratis software, os delivered with PC, and piracy make it very hard to make money, especially for a consumer OS. Linux has a perpetual shoe string budget. BEOS had a good try with a better product but ultimately failed. OSX is an interesting case study, but it's not clear what to learn from it. There are probably more answers.
  - dleslie 5y ago
    IMHO, the heaviest impediment is that the source isn't available.
zokier 5y ago
> Even text rendering of input seemed to have a bit of a delay Modern Office has animated text input which has distinctly different feel. Not sure if it is actually slower though.
- zootboy 5y ago
  That feature annoyed me to no end, so I found a way to turn it off: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/turn-off-office-animations-9ee5c4d2-d144-4fd2-b670-22cef9fa025a?ui=en-us&rs=en-us&ad=us https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/turn-off-office-a...
- hulitu 5y ago
  It is much, much slower. And combined with the brilliant idea of hiding the cursor - good luck navigating a document with the keyboard.
LuisMondragon 5y ago
I'm an editor and proofread texts daily. (In Spanish). The spell check process in Word was always straightforward, without significant delays between each check. But guess what. Now the humble spell checker has evolved and now it's AI and cloud based. Nothing wrong with those technologies if properly implemented, but now each word that gets flagged makes a web request to try and find a suggestion, most of which are useless. It's so frustrating. My work was becoming noticeable slower. Since I get paid per word, I need to work fast, so now before spell checking I have to disconnect from the internet. And I paid for Office! I paid for a software that helps me work slower and earn less.
- noxer 5y ago
  How about you turn it off? If you instead seriously disconnected from the internet I can only assume your PC skills to be nonexistent. Maybe write on a typewriter instead.
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huuuz 5y ago

word and excel are slower when compared to the Google workspace counterparts. There's a very noticeable lag when typing. They should be ashamed of themselves.

MrBuddyCasino 5y ago

> I can only imagine a world where Windows 2000 simply kept receiving security and driver updates. sigh Everyone wants this, funny how Big Corp works. Its supposed to be giving the consumer what he wants. Economists can't comprehend.

hyperman1 5y ago
There is something important hiding in your comment. In a fee market, someone would stand up and provide a modern fork of windows 2000. As this is not happening, the OS market is not free. I suppose it's an oligopoly or monopoly at this point. So what went wrong? Complicated question, I see multiple partial answers. * part of governement's job is safeguarding and restoring free markets. Clearly they failed here. * part of it is a natural monopoly. No source code means a lot harder support. * part of it is the copyright monopoly, making a free market basically illegal. There must be some mechanism for protecting creators, but the balance is lost if copyright forbids, e.g. duplication of goods no longer sold * part of it is a failure in standardisation. POSIX is hopelessly incomplete for a modern os, and microsoft ignored it in favor of its own API's (minus some subsystem lip qervice). * part of it is also the 'free' culture (beer, not speach). Someone has to pay for development, and gratis software, os delivered with PC, and piracy make it very hard to make money, especially for a consumer OS. Linux has a perpetual shoe string budget. BEOS had a good try with a better product but ultimately failed. OSX is an interesting case study, but it's not clear what to learn from it. There are probably more answers.
- dleslie 5y ago
  IMHO, the heaviest impediment is that the source isn't available.

zokier 5y ago

> Even text rendering of input seemed to have a bit of a delay Modern Office has animated text input which has distinctly different feel. Not sure if it is actually slower though.

zootboy 5y ago
That feature annoyed me to no end, so I found a way to turn it off: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/turn-off-office-animations-9ee5c4d2-d144-4fd2-b670-22cef9fa025a?ui=en-us&rs=en-us&ad=us https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/turn-off-office-a...
hulitu 5y ago
It is much, much slower. And combined with the brilliant idea of hiding the cursor - good luck navigating a document with the keyboard.

LuisMondragon 5y ago

I'm an editor and proofread texts daily. (In Spanish). The spell check process in Word was always straightforward, without significant delays between each check. But guess what. Now the humble spell checker has evolved and now it's AI and cloud based. Nothing wrong with those technologies if properly implemented, but now each word that gets flagged makes a web request to try and find a suggestion, most of which are useless. It's so frustrating. My work was becoming noticeable slower. Since I get paid per word, I need to work fast, so now before spell checking I have to disconnect from the internet. And I paid for Office! I paid for a software that helps me work slower and earn less.

noxer 5y ago
How about you turn it off? If you instead seriously disconnected from the internet I can only assume your PC skills to be nonexistent. Maybe write on a typewriter instead.
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