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Its good because that is what is paying for all these apps.

by zz865 5y ago

isoprophlex 5y ago
No. It is cancerous, because it erodes our privacy and degrades our user experience. And for developers, you are forced to enter the spy-on-your-users rat race because everyone expects free shit.
- randmeerkat 5y ago
  > And for developers, you are forced to enter the spy-on-your-users rat race because everyone expects free shit. I would happily pay for a quality product that respected my privacy.
  - isoprophlex 5y ago
    Yeah, me too; i have paid email, paid adblocking dns. I de-googled my life and ditched FB, insta, twitter. (Ok, that I also did for my own mental well-being) But I'm, what, a 0.1% minority of global internet users? Meanwhile I try to find suitable games for my kids to play or video's to watch, and 9 out of 10 things I find have monetize through some quality-reducing, interruptive, annoying ad-driven modus operandi. It's not just services or software: consuming content is equally degraded by the expectation of limitless quantities of free shit.
- ameister14 5y ago
  That's not why people enter the race, in my experience. I remember years back talking to friends and people I knew who all said things like 'think of the data we're collecting' - nobody thought about asking the end user if they wanted that data collected. It's not about 'oh no, I have to spy on my users;' the users aren't considered at all. If they are, there are patterns built to prevent them noticing and limit liability. It's pretty vile. Ethically, you should only try collect the data you reasonably believe your users would be ok with you collecting if they knew as much as you did about what a bad actor could do with it, and you should ask them first.
swiley 5y ago
GNU didn’t need to do this and the App Library for GNU/Linux is often more complete.
- brootstrap 5y ago
  did our ancestors have GPS enabled phones when they started making trans-atlantic trips? What about my grandma in 1970 packing up 6 kids in a station wagon and driving somewhere on vacation? You can get by without google maps and google even.
  - novok 5y ago
    It doesn't matter about what your ancestors got by with, but how close you are to baseline effectiveness as a human being in order to keep up with the society you live in. If you are a weirdo who is not available to communicate with like everyone else, people stop being your friend, you economic opportunities reduce and so on. If your more late because you got lost more often, because you don't use gps, people don't want to associate with you as much and so on.

Its good because that is what is paying for all these apps.

by zz865 5y ago

Its good because that is what is paying for all these apps.

No. It is cancerous, because it erodes our privacy and degrades our user experience. And for developers, you are forced to enter the spy-on-your-users rat race because everyone expects free shit.

randmeerkat 5y ago
> And for developers, you are forced to enter the spy-on-your-users rat race because everyone expects free shit. I would happily pay for a quality product that respected my privacy.
- isoprophlex 5y ago
  Yeah, me too; i have paid email, paid adblocking dns. I de-googled my life and ditched FB, insta, twitter. (Ok, that I also did for my own mental well-being) But I'm, what, a 0.1% minority of global internet users? Meanwhile I try to find suitable games for my kids to play or video's to watch, and 9 out of 10 things I find have monetize through some quality-reducing, interruptive, annoying ad-driven modus operandi. It's not just services or software: consuming content is equally degraded by the expectation of limitless quantities of free shit.
ameister14 5y ago
That's not why people enter the race, in my experience. I remember years back talking to friends and people I knew who all said things like 'think of the data we're collecting' - nobody thought about asking the end user if they wanted that data collected. It's not about 'oh no, I have to spy on my users;' the users aren't considered at all. If they are, there are patterns built to prevent them noticing and limit liability. It's pretty vile. Ethically, you should only try collect the data you reasonably believe your users would be ok with you collecting if they knew as much as you did about what a bad actor could do with it, and you should ask them first.

swiley 5y ago

GNU didn’t need to do this and the App Library for GNU/Linux is often more complete.

brootstrap 5y ago
did our ancestors have GPS enabled phones when they started making trans-atlantic trips? What about my grandma in 1970 packing up 6 kids in a station wagon and driving somewhere on vacation? You can get by without google maps and google even.
- novok 5y ago
  It doesn't matter about what your ancestors got by with, but how close you are to baseline effectiveness as a human being in order to keep up with the society you live in. If you are a weirdo who is not available to communicate with like everyone else, people stop being your friend, you economic opportunities reduce and so on. If your more late because you got lost more often, because you don't use gps, people don't want to associate with you as much and so on.