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I disagree. Python doesn't get anywhere near the amount of hate as Javascript. Ruby never had that level of hate. Go attracts some criticism, but it also has

by dkarl 5y ago

I disagree. Python doesn't get anywhere near the amount of hate as Javascript. Ruby never had that level of hate. Go attracts some criticism, but it also has a lot of ardent supporters. I have extremely negative feelings about Java, but when I work on a Java project, I can't assume that everybody working with me feel the same way. Lots of people who work with Java find it tolerable or even pleasant. Javascript is like PHP; when you join a group of people working in it, you can freely shit on the language without worrying that you're going to hurt anybody's feelings, because everybody hates it. Even people who love it, hate it.

eska 5y ago
As an outsider, I see nodejs differently from js in general. I think nodejs has its flaws, in particular in the ecosystem, but general js is just garbage all the way. I think a lot of people see it this way.
muzani 5y ago
That's interesting. I hate Java and actually like JS. I used to make the same assumption too, that everyone just hated Java and it was easy to hate on. I used to apply for JS jobs, and the interview would have questions like "What do you dislike about JS?" I couldn't find much to dislike and never got those jobs. Maybe it's a sign of proficiency when you're good enough at a language to hit its limits. I'd say the other effect is when you join projects built by experienced but non-senior people, it tends to be overengineered. Overengineering shows the ugly side of a language. Everyone assumes that this is normal behaviour for the language, when it's frequently not.
rektide 5y ago
no other language had anywhere near the amount of users who were put onto it, regardless of their tastes. js is ubiquotous, node js highly present. and unlike these other languages there s not usually one or two ways of doing things. there's so many different frameworks, build tools, countless stacks beyond measure. when someone is force converted onto node they're more likely than not to have poor footing, be unable to make the typical sloe steady grind into proficiency they would with a less diverse language like python or ruby.
smitty1e 5y ago
I hate: - the sense that I never really can be sure where the code is executing at a glace; - the (compared to Python) cruft-laden syntax JSON was a win. I nearly forgive JavaScript for begetting JSON.

by dkarl 5y ago

eska 5y ago

As an outsider, I see nodejs differently from js in general. I think nodejs has its flaws, in particular in the ecosystem, but general js is just garbage all the way. I think a lot of people see it this way.

muzani 5y ago

That's interesting. I hate Java and actually like JS. I used to make the same assumption too, that everyone just hated Java and it was easy to hate on. I used to apply for JS jobs, and the interview would have questions like "What do you dislike about JS?" I couldn't find much to dislike and never got those jobs. Maybe it's a sign of proficiency when you're good enough at a language to hit its limits. I'd say the other effect is when you join projects built by experienced but non-senior people, it tends to be overengineered. Overengineering shows the ugly side of a language. Everyone assumes that this is normal behaviour for the language, when it's frequently not.

rektide 5y ago

no other language had anywhere near the amount of users who were put onto it, regardless of their tastes. js is ubiquotous, node js highly present. and unlike these other languages there s not usually one or two ways of doing things. there's so many different frameworks, build tools, countless stacks beyond measure. when someone is force converted onto node they're more likely than not to have poor footing, be unable to make the typical sloe steady grind into proficiency they would with a less diverse language like python or ruby.

smitty1e 5y ago

I hate: - the sense that I never really can be sure where the code is executing at a glace; - the (compared to Python) cruft-laden syntax JSON was a win. I nearly forgive JavaScript for begetting JSON.